Grammar Discussions

[Beano]

As one commemorator put it, "never get between and Oxford comma and no Oxford comma people when drink has been taken!"

 

[Beano]

Rule 6 is 19th C. Startrek resolved the issue.
Rule 3 is depatable debatable.

Rule 6 also has a comment from George Bernard Shaw "It is of no consequence whether he decides to go quickly or to quickly go or quickly to go. The important thing is that he should go at once". (On an editor at the London Times who did not like split infinitives).

There are lots of rules, missing from the table, I was taught in school; never end a sentence with a preposition. And don't start one with a conjunction.

 

[TheRealTMA]

Rule 6 also has a comment from George Bernard Shaw "It is of no consequence whether he decides to go quickly or to quickly go or quickly to go. The important thing is that he should go at once". (On an editor at the London Times who did not like split infinitives).

There are lots of rules, missing from the table, I was taught in school; never end a sentence with a preposition. And don't start one with a conjunction.

Muse. Churchill "Up with which I will not put!

Quote Origin This Is the Sort of Nonsense Up With Which I Will Not Put – Quote Investigator®

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[Beano]

Muse. Churchill "Up with which I will not put!

Quote Origin This Is the Sort of Nonsense Up With Which I Will Not Put – Quote Investigator®

quoteinvestigator.com

World famous quote!

 

[AuSammy]

Problematic sign

 

[AuSammy]

 

[AuSammy]

One should use caution with abbreviations

 

[AuSammy]

Dear people who type in all lowercase. We are the difference between helping your Uncle Jack off a horse and helping your uncle jack off a horse.
Sincerely,
Capital Letters.

 

[AuSammy]

Very expensive and when?

 

[Beano]

Very expensive and when?
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Only on a WENSEDAY (sic) so you are OK.

 

[DejaBrew]

Looks like Yahoo! Sports has created a totally new and interesting sport -:

 

[Groundfeeder]

Rule 6 also has a comment from George Bernard Shaw "It is of no consequence whether he decides to go quickly or to quickly go or quickly to go. The important thing is that he should go at once". (On an editor at the London Times who did not like split infinitives).

There are lots of rules, missing from the table, I was taught in school; never end a sentence with a preposition. And don't start one with a conjunction.

AND, don't start a sentence with "and".
(oopsy!)

 

[Beano]

AND, don't start a sentence with "and".
(oopsy!)

So, the old school rule! Never start a sentence with a conjunction! Yea right!

 

[Beano]

So, the old school rule! Never start a sentence with a conjunction! Yea right!

That's the school-rule which is old, rather than the rule from the old-school, or does it matter?

 

[NM]

AND, don't start a sentence with "and".
(oopsy!)

And "with" is not a suitable word to end a sentence with.

 

[TheRealTMA]

That's the school-rule which is old, rather than the rule from the old-school, or does it matter?

Learn Italian. They deal with this efficiently by placement of the adjective before or after the noun which makes the intention clear.

 

[Beano]

And "with" is not a suitable word to end a sentence with.

This is something up with which I will not put!! ( grammatically correct)

 

[AuSammy]

 

[TheRealTMA]

This is something up with which I will not put!! ( grammatically correct)

Enough of this fallacy.

" While generally agreeing with many of the points made by Steven Pinker in his article (Whom knows, Review, 16 August), I should point out that in his discussion of prepositions at the end of a sentence, Pinker’s explanation of the witticism attributed to Winston Churchill– “This is pedantry up with which I will not put” – is not correct.

The verb “to put up with” is a phrasal verb (or more accurately phrasal-prepositional), and the elements “up” and “with” are not prepositions or adverbs here; they are particles which are integral parts of the verb and must normally occur in this sequence. This is the reason for the grammatical unacceptability of the witticism.

In addition, the meaning of the verb “to put up with” is not connected with the meanings of its constituents (a phenomenon often found with phrasal verbs) and thus cannot be deduced from them."

The sages up with which we should not put | @guardianletters

Letters: I presume Steven Pinker’s inclusion of the words ‘flouted’, ‘dichotomy’ and ‘refuted’ in his attack on pedantry was not accidental

www.theguardian.com

Further ref: Steven Pinker: 10 'grammar rules' it's OK to break (sometimes)

 

[Beano]

Enough of this fallacy.

" While generally agreeing with many of the points made by Steven Pinker in his article (Whom knows, Review, 16 August), I should point out that in his discussion of prepositions at the end of a sentence, Pinker’s explanation of the witticism attributed to Winston Churchill– “This is pedantry up with which I will not put” – is not correct.

The verb “to put up with” is a phrasal verb (or more accurately phrasal-prepositional), and the elements “up” and “with” are not prepositions or adverbs here; they are particles which are integral parts of the verb and must normally occur in this sequence. This is the reason for the grammatical unacceptability of the witticism.

In addition, the meaning of the verb “to put up with” is not connected with the meanings of its constituents (a phenomenon often found with phrasal verbs) and thus cannot be deduced from them."

The sages up with which we should not put | @guardianletters

Letters: I presume Steven Pinker’s inclusion of the words ‘flouted’, ‘dichotomy’ and ‘refuted’ in his attack on pedantry was not accidental

www.theguardian.com

I understood that! Thanks. But we are at the school class level here!