General EV Discussion

[prozac]

I'd buy one for that performance alone... each to their own I suppose

Get a motorbike. I am about to sell one that will do it in 3 for a very moderate price.

 

[kookaburra75]

Get a motorbike. I am about to sell one that will do it in 3 for a very moderate price.

I gave up riding motorbikes a few years ago, as I don't bounce as well as I used to

 

[Forg]

Ugly doesn't seem to matter, SUV's & dual-cabs are the most numerous vehicles sold these days.
And the expensive ones made by Ferrari, Lamborghini, Bentley, Rolls Royce etc are among the ugliest passenger-vehicles on the planet - yet, they sell.

Also EV's are in-effect automatics, 20 years ago the concept of a car that can do 0-100 in 2.5s as being boring would've been unthinkable - yet here we are!


Going off on a tangent in this thread, I don't have an EV & haven't ever had to deal with charging the ones I've been in. I therefore have zero concept of what apps etc you'd need to install & use if you want to charge at one of those fancy power-points where you pay for the electrons.

This is back-story to the fact that a couple of months ago I was considering a rental in France and (for The Goodies related reasons) driving to the Black Forest in order to go for a Walk in it.
A servo in a foreign language is no problem ... but with no experience, and no idea of whether a trial-run here would teach me anything that would help there, the cheapest alternative of hiring an EV for that trip was just too much of a risk.
The whole drive got canned due to my (German) wife telling me it was nothing special & not worth planning a day-trip around. But what on the outside appeared to be a good way to sample the wares that an EV offers turns out to be notsogood due to the logistics. If it were a multi-day rental being considered, that puts a different spin on things.

 

[kookaburra75]

Ugly doesn't seem to matter, SUV's & dual-cabs are the most numerous vehicles sold these days.
And the expensive ones made by Ferrari, Lamborghini, Bentley, Rolls Royce etc are among the ugliest passenger-vehicles on the planet - yet, they sell.

I suppose they work on the principle, that once you're in the car you can't see what it looks like anyway.

 

[prozac]

I gave up riding motorbikes a few years ago, as I don't bounce as well as I used to

Me too

 

[moa999]

therefore have zero concept of what apps etc you'd need to install & use if you want to charge at one of those fancy power-points where you pay for the electrons.

In general each charging network has its own app. So you need to signup (typically pretty easy with saved details and add a credit card)
They are all generally map driven, choose a stall number (sticker on machine), start charging, plugin.

In Australia at the moment I've got about 8 apps on my phone, and could have more.

A small but growing number of machines are adding credit card readers for casual tap and pay (sometimes at a premium). And a few networks are now 'roaming' on others apps.

Some networks also allow you add the details of an RFID card so you don't need to use the app at all. Others (Evie and Jolt in Australia) can save a car serial number so you just plugin (indeed one of the big advantages of a Tesla on the Tesla network).

When travelling some networks may not be available on Australian app stores which can present issues. As above some rentals get around this by giving you an RFID card which then gets charged back.

Hiring a Tesla and only using Tesla charging is probably the simplest due to the integration of mapping and billing. Other EVs or other charging networks adds a bit more complexity.

 

[Flyerwin]

I'd buy one for that performance alone

You can get 0-100 in 2.5s with some of the Chinese EVs now, or even the Taycan Turbo S, for a much cheaper price point.

 

[tgh]

0-100km/h in 2.5 seconds

Is extremely uncomfortable, anything under about 5 is not worth the effort for the buzz..imo
#2 sons R1200 was in this range but I couldn't keep the blood in my brain to use it...

It is interesting that for a hundred years or more the 0>60 time defined fast cars and now almost any chinese ice box
can do times that we all used to dream about...

 

[DejaBrew]

Ferrari just released their first EV - a 5-seater at that.

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Source:
https://www.ferrari.com/en-EN/auto/ferrari-luce

News article:
https://www.drive.com.au/news/ferrari-goes-electric-high-tech-ferrari-luce-super-sedan-finally-revealed/

After five years of development and plenty of speculation as to its final production form, the fully-electric 2027 Ferrari Luce has finally been unveiled as a hyper-efficient super sedan with a 772kW output, 0-100km/h in 2.5 seconds, and over 500km of claimed driving range.

The Luce is the first fully-electric car from Ferrari, and unlike other recent road cars, has been designed outside of the brand's design studio by industrial design supergroup, LoveFrom, headed by Sir Jony Ive and Marc Newson.

Ive is most known for his work at Apple, where he had a hand in the design of the iPhone, iPad and Apple Watch, amongst others. Australian-born Newson was formerly creative director at Qantas before working with Ive at Apple between 2014 and 2019.

Pricing of the Ferrari Luce has not been announced for any market, but it is expected to be more expensive than a Purosangue.


My take:

1. It's ugly - they got non-car designers from Apple to design a car - bad idea.

2. If we think EVs depreciate badly, it's going to be worse with this car.

I haven't felt the urge to vomit, but it certainly doesn't evoke the emotion I typically feel from a Ferrari. Maybe "clinical" is the word to best describe it, and that's not really what Ferraris are all about. The blue does nothing for me, but it admittedly looks better in the traditional Ferrari red. Agree that depreciation is likely to be off the scale for this car.

 

[prozac]

0-100km/h in 2.5 seconds

Is extremely uncomfortable, anything under about 5 is not worth the effort for the buzz..imo
#2 sons R1200 was in this range but I couldn't keep the blood in my brain to use it...

It is interesting that for a hundred years or more the 0>60 time defined fast cars and now almost any chinese ice box
can do times that we all used to dream about...

I ride a R1200GS. A few years back when I dropped it in for a service the workshop loaned me a S1000R. I would never buy one: with the clutchless shift gears I found myself doing speeds within seconds I don't want to mention on AFF. Don't get me wrong, I do like it but too much temptation.

 

[VPS]

Do electric cars have to do that humming noise when they are reversing. Not sure how to explain the noise really but it's bloody annoying

 

[DejaBrew]

Do electric cars have to do that humming noise when they are reversing. Not sure how to explain the noise really but it's bloody annoying

They could always silently bowl you over if you'd prefer? As for me, I'd rather hear my assailant approaching.

 

[moa999]

Do electric cars have to do that humming noise when they are reversing

AVAS has been mandated by the Aus Govt - both reversing and slow speed forward travel.

https://minister.infrastructure.gov.au/c-king/media-release/new-ev-and-hybrid-rules-improve-pedestrian-safety

Some older EVs don't have it

 

[VPS]

They could always silently bowl you over if you'd prefer? As for me, I'd rather hear my assailant approaching.

They can't hit me if I'm sitting upstairs on my balcony and I consider it noise pollution

 

[DejaBrew]

Some older EVs don't have it

I seem to recall it being an "optional" extra on some earlier models.

They can't hit me if I'm sitting upstairs on my balcony and I consider it noise pollution

I'm sure some drivers would just interpret this as a challenge

 

[MikeG]

I have an EV and for day to day riving I tend to drive it around all week without charging and then charge it over the weekends with solar (so it's free)

I've done a lot of intercity/interstate driving in it, and it just takes a little forward planning.

I use ABRP, and it allows me to figure out food stops and to plan charging stations to minimise impact on the travel time.

At first, I had a little range anxiety, but these days it's second nature to think in the different EV mindset. I would never go back...

M

 

[Quickstatus]

At first, I had a little range anxiety

Have you joined the 0% SoC club?

 

[Flyerwin]

0% SoC club

That's not good for the battery - advice is to try to keep SOH above 20%.

 

[Quickstatus]

That's not good for the battery

Actually not true.
But the point though is that occasionally the driver may need to use every last electron - hence the 0%SoC club. Im even a member of the -1% Soc club

Capacity fade after storage at 18 months- these were apparently Tesla Model S batteries . Cool temps are better





Another capacity fade study with cells stored at various Soc on a weeks timeline.

 

[Flyerwin]

Im even a member of the -1% Soc club