General Discussion/Q&A on Coronavirus (COVID-19)

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With lots of Europe already starting to go back into lockdown (again.....), Northern Ireland announcing a post-Christmas bubble lockdown and Wales the same, it's only a matter of time before England makes the same announcement. Cases in our London borough have risen exponentially in the last few weeks so the tier system doesn't work. No surprise really as even in the highest tier non-essential shops etc. are still open so what's the point?

The 2 most depressing months of the year will be spent locked inside. Oh well! Hopefully will start to see the numbers drop again ...... until measures are relaxed and they rise again. It'll be a long time before the vaccine impact is felt as lots of the recent numbers have been <18's infecting each other at school and infections then passing to family members etc.
 
Electron microscopy picture of C19 and lung cell.Colour has been added.
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Electron microscopy picture
EM is actually shades of grey. I suppose colour adds a bit of hyperbole and dramatisation.

One of the problem with EM is the decline in EM use overall and with it the necessary expertise.
There have been several articles in the medical literature attributing certain particles in the EM field to be SARS-CoV-2 and subsequent articles questioning whether the ultrastructural appearances are actually diagnostic for SARS-Cov-2:


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OK, so it seems that all hell has broken loose on intra Australian travel plans due to the Sydney cluster and state & territory reactions.

At least, this is what I assume, and this is not just a Christmas thing in my mind.

And herein lies the question that I have for advice.

My mother and I have (about a month ago) booked 7 nights on the Sunshine Coast from 8th Feb 21, but no flights yet. We were also planning to spend a day or two in Bris.

I usually head up to Port Douglas by myself for 10-14 days for some relaxation and time to myself,
So I was just thinking, who in the hell is planning on having a holiday this summer now that this Nthn Sydney cluster has reared up?

The advice I'm seeking is as follows....

1. Accommodation on the sunshine coast has to be paid for by the 8th Jan. Do we cancel or proceed?

2. Do we book airfares or forget the whole thing? (We are from Melb)

3. Regarding my solo trip up to Port Douglas either late Jan, mid feb, late feb or early march: Should I book airfares or organise accommodation?

I kind of already know the answer I think, and that is... If I/we want to be stuck in HQ for 14 days at our own expense, then no!

Despite no cluster in QLD, all that would need to occur is a small cluster and BANG, plans are Kaput.

What is the consensus here?

Thanks in Advance.
 
Ok just a tad confused . Why is someone who may have contracted covid on Dec 11 being told this evening (as per health Dept release not sure if it was advised earlier ) to isolate for 14 days ?
Their contact was 10 days ago ? So isolation for up to 24 days ?
 
Ok just a tad confused . Why is someone who may have contracted covid on Dec 11 being told this evening (as per health Dept release not sure if it was advised earlier ) to isolate for 14 days ?
Their contact was 10 days ago ? So isolation for up to 24 days ?
Its usually 14 days after last visit to exposure site if negative result.

Positive result might be a different set of rules.

Might be worth it to seek clarification.
 
OK, so it seems that all hell has broken loose on intra Australian travel plans due to the Sydney cluster and state & territory reactions.

At least, this is what I assume, and this is not just a Christmas thing in my mind.

And herein lies the question that I have for advice.

My mother and I have (about a month ago) booked 7 nights on the Sunshine Coast from 8th Feb 21, but no flights yet. We were also planning to spend a day or two in Bris.

I usually head up to Port Douglas by myself for 10-14 days for some relaxation and time to myself,
So I was just thinking, who in the hell is planning on having a holiday this summer now that this Nthn Sydney cluster has reared up?

The advice I'm seeking is as follows....

1. Accommodation on the sunshine coast has to be paid for by the 8th Jan. Do we cancel or proceed?

2. Do we book airfares or forget the whole thing? (We are from Melb)

3. Regarding my solo trip up to Port Douglas either late Jan, mid feb, late feb or early march: Should I book airfares or organise accommodation?

I kind of already know the answer I think, and that is... If I/we want to be stuck in HQ for 14 days at our own expense, then no!

Despite no cluster in QLD, all that would need to occur is a small cluster and BANG, plans are Kaput.

What is the consensus here?

Thanks in Advance.


The key date there is the 8th Jan.

18 days away which is more than a full incubation period. By then you/we should well and truly know if this outbreak is under control (and hopefully gone), or whether it is lingering and interfering with interstate travel.

Extra certainty will be gained if the original transmission becomes known. Though like the start of the NZ second wave it may never be.

Personally if it looks good by the 8th I would still go. Yes another outbreak could occur at any time, but equally I think Northern Beaches will demonstrate that as with Butcher Club on that enough is now known to control these outbreaks as they occur.

Covid normal will mean jumping on any new outbreak when, and if it occurs (well probably more ).

Also depending how the various vaccines actually work with suppressing the transmission of virus this could become a pretty much permanent state of affairs if it only minimises the outcomes rather than limiting spread. Though reduced outcomes will mean potentially less need to be restrictive.
 
The advice I'm seeking is as follows....

1. Accommodation on the sunshine coast has to be paid for by the 8th Jan. Do we cancel or proceed?

2. Do we book airfares or forget the whole thing? (We are from Melb)

3. Regarding my solo trip up to Port Douglas either late Jan, mid feb, late feb or early march: Should I book airfares or organise accommodation?
The only bookings I would be making for interstate travel for the foreseeable future would be the fully refundable or pay-on-arrival with ability to cancel 24 hours before arrival.
 
The only bookings I would be making for interstate travel for the foreseeable future would be the fully refundable or pay-on-arrival with ability to cancel 24 hours before arrival.
Thanks for your response, it is completely logical except for the following concerns :

1. We haven't booked flights yet, and although the media release from the Qantas Newsroom on Sunday suggests flexibility with fares, nothing ongoing has been announced yet- so one would have to assume we would be booking with points as I believe you can modify/cancel once before 31 DEC 2021.

2. Assuming we find accommodation that can be cancelled up to 24 hours before arrival/fully refundable/ pay at the hotel, you then have the worry that a local outbreak could occur in the 7 days that we are away.

SO,

Assuming we book flights on points and book accommodation with the aforementioned benefits, you still have to (pretty much) pray that there isn't an outbreak in Bris/Sunshine Coast/GC etc while we are away in which case we would have to make a mad dash back to Melbourne with no accommodation refund. Furthermore, you also have the worry that an outbreak could occur in Melbourne, and not be identified until we are actually away, meaning that we would have to HQ regardless if all looked well and we decided to go.

Does that make sense?

Thanks to everyone else for replies!
 
I guess this brings e to my next question hehe.

Besides the usual suspects; Booking.com, Agoda etc - Does anyone know any booking sites that offer free cancellation 24 hours out and pay at the hotel?

Thanks in advance once again!
 
Thanks for your response, it is completely logical except for the following concerns :

1. We haven't booked flights yet, and although the media release from the Qantas Newsroom on Sunday suggests flexibility with fares, nothing ongoing has been announced yet- so one would have to assume we would be booking with points as I believe you can modify/cancel once before 31 DEC 2021.

2. Assuming we find accommodation that can be cancelled up to 24 hours before arrival/fully refundable/ pay at the hotel, you then have the worry that a local outbreak could occur in the 7 days that we are away.

SO,

Assuming we book flights on points and book accommodation with the aforementioned benefits, you still have to (pretty much) pray that there isn't an outbreak in Bris/Sunshine Coast/GC etc while we are away in which case we would have to make a mad dash back to Melbourne with no accommodation refund. Furthermore, you also have the worry that an outbreak could occur in Melbourne, and not be identified until we are actually away, meaning that we would have to HQ regardless if all looked well and we decided to go.

Does that make sense?

Thanks to everyone else for replies!
My memory might be a jumbled mess, and past responses might not be indicative of future responses, but I think Qld:
1. Required 14-day quarantine at own place of travellers from the hotspot if already arrived same day (or earlier) as declared a hotspot
2. Allowed Greater Sydney entry with isolating for test on arrival/next day until negative
3. Required 14-day quarantine at mandatory place at own expense of travellers from the hotspot arriving next day after declared a hotspot
4. Then as venues multiply, made Greater Sydney a hotspot requiring 14-day mandatory quarantine at own expense

For Victorians/Melbourne returning home
1. If arrived before red zone declared, 14 days quarantine at own place.
2. If red zone declared, 14 days mandatory quarantine
3. If red zone expanded, Victorians given a day’s notice to return home to allow 14-day quarantine at own place. After that mandatory quarantine.
4. A hot zone could result in refused entry or requires mandatory quarantine.

So points to note, if you arrived before any hotspot declared, you might have to either do quarantine at your accommodation (probably ask for an exemption to leave by private car before end of 14 days) or do a test and isolate until negative result

You are right about making a mad dash back to Melbourne, but you probably wouldn’t want to remain in an outbreak area anyway.

Lol....Another option is to consider Byron instead of Qld. NSW didn’t close borders until over 100 new cases per day.
 
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You are right about making a mad dash back to Melbourne, but you probably wouldn’t want to remain in an outbreak area anyway.

Ha! I'm used to it. I lived through the 111-day lock-down and unless you are forced to be in amongst crowded places then it doesn't concern me.

I have had a good look tonight and have decided that anything BUT free cancellation/pay at property is the only way to do it. Even then, 7 days in another state (Can't believe I just said that) is more than enough time to do your dough and get stuck in HQ.

That being said, I have found several properties a bit further out from Hastings St (Higher quality Accomm,) that offer free cancellation before 5/6th Feb. That's pretty good considering the circumstances of 8/02 Arrival. Personally, If Qantas make an announcement re: added flexibility (could very well happen - we'll prob book on points anyway (refundable/changeable,) AND I keep my ear to the ground for outbreaks - at this stage, I'm happy to go. Mum's a bit older and likes to be in Hastings st as beach and restaurants etc are right there, but me, meh... I don't mind a 20 minute hike to/from beach.

I would be fascinated to have confirmation on what I assume to be true, which is that Queenslanders are travelling to Queensland hotspots (HOLIDAY hotspots that is,) and so on and so forth for all the other states.
 
Calgary friend and his wife gone up to their hunting hut in the Yukon to sit out the Calgary Covid. He says he has enough wood and food to last till end of winter.

Not sure which is worse. Covid or a Canadian winter on the 63rd latitude
 
Calgary friend and his wife gone up to their hunting hut in the Yukon to sit out the Calgary Covid. He says he has enough wood and food to last till end of winter.

Not sure which is worse. Covid or a Canadian winter on the 63rd latitude
I cannot imagine the freeze and isolation.
 
the freeze and isolation.

I would be ok with it especially in the wilds,( whats that noise? oh just another bear…. ) but would not like to lose my "connections" with the world
 
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1. We haven't booked flights yet, and although the media release from the Qantas Newsroom on Sunday suggests flexibility with fares, nothing ongoing has been announced yet- so one would have to assume we would be booking with points as I believe you can modify/cancel once before 31 DEC 2021

Flexibilty means that QF can be flexible about if it ever refunds you, not that you can be flexible about your trip.
 
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