General COVID-19 Vaccine Discussion

Princess Fiona

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The official UK advice is that you should defer your second dose until more is known.


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I will try and remember to ask about the ATAGI advice tomorrow.
ATAGI hasn’t released their most up to date advice on this yet.
There is a general recommendation that if someone has suffered a serious adverse event (myocarditis etc) then the second dose could be AZ at 4-12 weeks following risk assessment.
ATAGI Second Dose Special Circumstances
 

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I am one of the unlucky ones to have been diagnosed with pericarditis following my first pfizer jab as a mid-twenties male (so a little older than the target of the article). I shared some of my experience in another thread, and have had a couple more hospital admissions over the last week with worsening pain levels. It has been a physically and emotionally draining month beyond just the medical issues - I have had to take a fair amount of time off work and I have had to defer some postgraduate studies I had already commenced until next year. I'm unable to exercise, which had been a significant coping mechanism for me during lockdown. There are also questions around whether it will be recommended for me to have my second jab and the implications of whether I will be eligible for the 'freedoms' in NSW if a second-jab isn't advised.

With all of that said, the question I keep getting asked is if I regret getting the vaccine - at this point, the answer to that is no I don't regret it. At the time of my jab, the risk/benefit of course made sense. My concern is that the risks may have been understated in order to prevent an AZ-style media attack on pfizer. Every single GP, cardiologist, sonographer, emergency nurse, pharmacist and pathology collector that I have seen (and trust me, there have been many over the last month), has said that they are seeing countless individuals present with similar symptoms.
I was just thinking of you the other day @CaptainCurtis, so I am sorry to hear that things are not much better, if at all, for you.

Really wishing you well.
 

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Does anyone know if the process is automated for a mixed dose to be Australian certified fully vaccinated, or is there some hidden process for it to be acknowledged as certified?
 

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I have talked to our resident ATAGI board member and the advice is if you live in NSW ACT or Victoria have the AZ vaccine at 6-12 weeks as the second dose. Elsewhere wait for more evidence but if an outbreak get AZ.

Thank you! Is the advice to wait until symptoms subside or okay to go ahead with symptoms as long as within the 6-12 week window?

If you’re comfortable to PM me your address, I would love to send you a bottle of wine.
 

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Thank you! Is the advice to wait until symptoms subside or okay to go ahead with symptoms as long as within the 6-12 week window?

If you’re comfortable to PM me your address, I would love to send you a bottle of wine.
Basically go ahead despite symptoms.
This is AFF and we are here to help each other.I appreciate the offer but save the bottle for an AFF function.
 
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My USA trained (and resident) medically trained friends would REALLY like to see the Novavax version of the vaccine approved and available.

The only one I would use as a booster.

Just wandering
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Novavax version of the vaccine approved and available.

The only one I would use as a booster.

Given Novovax is not approved for use anywhere int he world and has yet to be tested as a booster to the other in use vaccines, that call would seem to be premature.

I notice that despite the favouritism for AZ on this forum that the UK is not using AZ for boosters but rather MRNA vaccines. It was stated from the start the technology used for AZ and J&J makes them unsuitable for long term repeated booster use.

I was speaking to a friend of a friend last night in his early 60s who had already had 3 AZ jabs (pharmacies dont do any checks to see what jabs you have already had), his weird logic was 3 doses is better than 2. So he had AZ#1 start of May, AZ#2 end of July and AZ#3 last week. ANd he plans to get Pfizer if available to over 60s.
 

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Given Novovax is not approved for use anywhere int he world and has yet to be tested as a booster to the other in use vaccines, that call would seem to be premature.

I notice that despite the favouritism for AZ on this forum that the UK is not using AZ for boosters but rather MRNA vaccines. It was stated from the start the technology used for AZ and J&J makes them unsuitable for long term repeated booster use.

I was speaking to a friend of a friend last night in his early 60s who had already had 3 AZ jabs (pharmacies dont do any checks to see what jabs you have already had), his weird logic was 3 doses is better than 2. So he had AZ#1 start of May, AZ#2 end of July and AZ#3 last week. ANd he plans to get Pfizer if available to over 60s.
Though studies have been done with a third dose of AZ.The results were an even larger antibody reponse than with the first 2 doses with less side effects.So your doubts on the technology might be not significant.
 

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Given Novovax is not approved for use anywhere int he world and has yet to be tested as a booster to the other in use vaccines, that call would seem to be premature.
Novavax is under phase 3 reporting in a number of jurisdictions. Australia may approve before the USA...
The apparent politics of the approval processes is what is causing the "nervousness" in certain sections (those who know general vaccine history).
The Novavax vaccine will not use the same delivery methodology as the mRNA versions. In any case, having a robust immune system is a good (better) starting point. Take/get your vitamin D even when vaccinated.
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@CaptainCurtis
I have talked to our resident ATAGI board member and the advice is if you live in NSW ACT or Victoria have the AZ vaccine at 6-12 weeks as the second dose. Elsewhere wait for more evidence but if an outbreak get AZ.

Thing is though that once we start opening after reaching 80% fully vaxxed, that even with some public health measures still in place that the whole nation will effectively be in an outbreak situation with virus spreading. WA may keep its borders closed a bit longer, but they too will eventually drop them.

As such you really want to if possible to have the protection of being vaccinated. So given the likely timeline now for progressive re-opening, that does not leave a lot of time now for more evidence to emerge.
 

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Boosters may not be a fait-accompli
 

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Boosters may not be a fait-accompli

Maybe trying to screw Pfizer down on price…
 

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And yet some US hospitals have already starting giving boosters to their staff, a friend who is a radiologist in Indianapolis got her 3rd dose booster in first week of September (exactly 9 months after 2nd dose).
 

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yes the 'follow the science' stick they have been beating people with is coming undone when WHO say no booster, FDA say hmmm maybe, some governments saying yes to boosters
 
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