General COVID-19 Vaccine Discussion

[Quickstatus]

about risk reduction.

I’m not saying don’t aspirate, I’m saying whether you aspirate or not (for IM injection using an appropriate needle/syringe) there does not appear to be any difference in the rate of inadvertent IV injection.
But Aspirate away…

 

[MARTINE]

We need an innovative Jab campaign/commercials. At the pub today, the antivaxxer religiously vaccinates his dogs cats and sheep. But not himself. I think this could be good ad material.

You could follow on by saying .. ‘and not only that when he gets sick he helps himself to the animals’ deworming tablets ..’

 

[Quickstatus]

animals’ deworming tablets

For clarity animal deworming treatments are not tablets.

 

[drron]

The French vaccine is about to get off the ground.

European Commission Purchases 60 Million Inactivated, Adjutant COVID-19 Vaccines

France-based Valneva SE today announced that it had signed an Advance Purchase Agreement (APA) with the European Commission (EC) to supply up to 60 million doses of its inactivated COVID-19 vaccine candidate, VLA2001.

www.coronavirustoday.com

And the Russians keep trying with Sputnick.Now a new one for adolescents.

Russia's Third COVID-19 Vaccine is for Adolescents

The Deputy Director-General of the Gamaleya Research Institute of Epidemiology and Microbiology Denis Logunov stated at a press conference in Moscow, Russia, on November 24, 2021, "The use of the Sputnik M vaccine by people twelve to 17 years was authorized today.'

www.coronavirustoday.com

 

[tgh]

Vaccination appears to now be a "serious infection hazard reduction process " rather than the "advertised" infection prophylactic

thoughts ?

We are now seeing many daily anecdotal reports from International friends particularly in Europe, of Full vaccination but suffering mild to heavy infection.

 

[wandering_fred]

Before the change, the definition for “vaccination” read, “the act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific disease.” Now, the word “immunity” has been switched to “protection.”

“When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’​

He wasn't wandering
Fred

Apologies to the unnamed sources

Vaccination appears to now be a "serious infection hazard reduction process " rather than the "advertised" infection prophylactic

thoughts ?

We are now seeing many daily anecdotal reports from International friends particularly in Europe, of Full vaccination but suffering mild to heavy infection.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Before the change, the definition for “vaccination” read, “the act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific disease.” Now, the word “immunity” has been switched to “protection.”

I think it may have been more:

The terms ‘vaccination’ and ‘immunisation’ don’t mean quite the same thing. Vaccination is the term used for getting a vaccine — that is, actually getting the injection or taking an oral vaccine dose. Immunisation refers to the process of both getting the vaccine and becoming immune to the disease following vaccination.​

Vaccine: A preparation that is used to stimulate the body's immune response against diseases.​

​

That response may produce immunity, or it might just stimulate it enough to reduce the negative outcomes of the disease. And some vaccines will do this more than others.

ie

• Measles, mumps, rubella – 95 out of every 100 people vaccinated will be completely immune.
• Whooping cough – about 85 out of every 100 people vaccinated will be completely immune.

 

[Chalkie]

But the original "inventor" of the Pfizer vaccine BNT has a somewhat different view. the CEO thinks the vaccine will be effective in preventing severe disease and hospitaliasation and worries more about the unvaccinated than Omicron.

BioNTech CEO says vaccine likely to protect against severe COVID from Omicron

BioNTech and Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine will likely offer strong protection against any severe disease from the new Omicron virus variant, BioNTech's Chief Executive told Reuters, as the firm weighs the need to upgrade its commonly used shot.

www.reuters.com

(my emphasis)

For anyone interested taking a deep dive into the epidemiology of Covid, British Columbia offers endless opportunities. There is quite granular data available to the public and some of it is very revealing.

I think most notably the effectiveness of vaccination as a pandemic management strategy is starkly illustrated in BC. The Vancouver Coastal Health region, with a population of 1.25 million and the highest provincial vax rates of D1 = 88%, D2 = 83% (total population); D1 = 91%, D2 = 86% (5+ eligibles (5+ is now the eligible benchmark as vaccination is available to that age group up) is seeing the lowest rate of community transmission in the province. Compare that to the least vaccinated health region (Northern), which has a population of 288,000 and the lowest provincial vax rates of D1 = 67%, D2 = 62% (total population); D1 = 71%, D2 = 65% (5+ eligibles) and continues to have the highest levels of community transmission:

New daily rates per 100K population, 7 day moving average



To me this suggests that for all the carry on about boosters, concerned effort still needs to be made in getting the unvaccinated vaccinated! The inventor of BNT is spot on, IMO. Get the vax rates up to 90% as well as worrying about boosters. My sense from the BC data is reaching that 90% mark is as important, if not more, than boosters.

Here are some Canadian sites where the deep data divers can have endless fun: COVID-19 Regional Surveillance Dashboard, BCCDC COVID-19 Epidemiology App and COVID-19 Tracker Canada - Vaccination Tracker.

 

[moa999]

So appears Moderna approved as booster, alongside Pfizer.
And recommendation reduced from six months to five months for booster shot.

COVID boosters fast-tracked to five-month gap, making millions more eligible for third shot

Australia’s COVID-19 booster shot program will be accelerated, with people now eligible for a third shot of a COVID-19 vaccine after five months.

www.smh.com.au

 

[Quickstatus]

There is no way to verify if the person presenting with a Medicare card is the person on the Medicare card. No other ID is required. We occasionally see Medicare cards presented for use at hospitals. However suspicions are raised when the person using that card give a medical history very different to that on the records.

So in the context of CovidVax Jabs, person A can show person B’s Medicare card and take a jab for person B who then gets a Vax certificate.

I would not be surprised this also happens in AU

 

[wandering_fred]

GP confirmed today that I could use AZ as a booster if that is what I wanted.....
I will wait for Novavax everything being equal.....

I should still be wandering
Fred

 

[jrfsp]

How long till ATAGI reduces the booster interval to less than 5 months, i dont think they will wait too long

 

[jakeseven7]

How long till ATAGI reduces the booster interval to less than 5 months, i dont think they will wait too long

I agree, a bunch of RWE has come out showing the level of protection vaccines are providing in terms of protection against symptomatic infection from Omicron. Important to note the RWE is showing the vaccines are still working against severe illness though.

So it should theoretically still protect our healthcare system (the anti vaxxers will be hit hard though).

I suspect as soon as they line up the logistics we will drop our interval for the booster as well. Certainly before winter sets in.

Edit: sorry got my words mixed up!

 

[Pushka]

I agree, a bunch of RWE has come out showing how quickly all vaccines fade in terms of protection against symptomatic infection from Omicron. Important to note the RWE is showing the vaccines are working against severe illness though.

So it should theoretically still protect our healthcare system (the anti vaxxers will be hit hard though!).

I suspect as soon as they line up the logistics we will drop our interval for the booster as well. Certainly before winter sets in.

Vaccinations surged significantly in SA. I randomly walked past a couple of pop up clinics in SA yesterday and a queue to be vaccinated and all waiting chairs full. Nothing like cases near you in such a random location (Willunga) to get everyone onboard.

 

[drron]

At least Australia will be researching the effect of boosters here with the Piccaboo study. Launceston is going to be one of the centres involved.

LGH to join national COVID-19 vaccination booster trials

Professor Flanagan said the purpose of the trial was to understand the impact COVID vaccine booster shots would...

www.examiner.com.au

 

[jrfsp]

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

www.bloomberg.com

 

[Pushka]

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

www.bloomberg.com

And this is why China is still aiming at elimination. Even with Delta their vaccine wasn't as effective.

 

[TouchYourFace]

And this is why China is still aiming at elimination. Even with Delta their vaccine wasn't as effective.

Just wait until they release the vaccine-specific variant.

 

[Port Power]

I had my booster this week, right on six months. I was surprised the pharmacist said I could have another AZ when all reports I heard recommended a different vaccine to the original. I chose Pfizer although Moderna had just been approved too.

It has taken the announcement of a date for the WA border to open for a surge in immunisations. That is good, of course, but I still don’t understand why someone would wait until now when they want to visit rellies in Melbourne in January or because a nephew has an autoimmune disease? Better late than never I guess, although these are the very people who have caused the delay in opening up the State.

 

[Quickstatus]

Increase in immunity after breakthrough infection better than CovidJabs?

Interesting but....
1)Very small sample numbers in each study arm
2)In-vitro study
3)Omicron not included as study ended prior to O outbreak
4)There is a time difference in blood collection between the control group and those with breakthrough infection

Not sure how this paper got through peer review