Forced closing on window shades in J SIN-SYD day flight

[11sjw]

If they are making you keep your chosen window shade closed during day flights and because of darkness at night renders seeing anything useless.

Why then do they put windows in planes in the first place.

Having them open during t/off and landing is a safety issue. Extra light in the case of an emergency.

What a waste in time and money the airlines are putting themselves through.
lets all just fly in an artificially lit blacked out cigar tube, with fixed seats that don't move for 14 hrs.

I love to fly, and a part of that is soaring through the sky and the clouds, enjoying their amazing forms, shapes and patterns. For a moment in time i'm on the top of the world looking down at the earth.
Iv'e seen Ayres Rock, Copacabanna Beach, The Nile, the Amazon River, the Eifel Tower, The mighty Missisipi river, The Great Wall of China, and the curveture of the earth just to name a few from the window of a plane.

To think l could have missed all these amazing life experiences beacause you wanted me to close the window shade.

Fine but you can enjoy them for a few select moments during your 14 hour journey. Why bombard everyone else with the annoying light for the other 13.5 hours?

Wear you eyeshades or take night flights.
Just because your over the joy of the experience does not mean we all are!...

Shut your shade for the vast majority of the flight. (See the other side to the argument?) Chances are for the scenic bits the rest of us will try and get a glimpse as well.


It wasn't in J but a shade that was constantly opened and closed on our recent PER-HKG caused both my wife and I to develop strong headaches. Mine turned into a migraine (including a vomit at the HKG airport). The coughpy part was it was the person behind me (we were in the 4 section of the 2-4-2 Y on the A330) who kept opening it.

After 3 hours of this I explained that it was adversely impacting on our 3 year old's ability to sleep. Pity it was too late for my wife and I. When sunlight is reflecting off clouds I will always choose for the shade to be down.

 

[ComeFlyWithMe]

I can see we are divided on this issue. I personally think if you want to sleep on a day flight, put your eye patch on and take a Temazapam or have a good scotch . I have no problem with the LHR-SIN sector being lights out - that actually makes sense.

The row was 2-2-2 in J on the A380, and there were only 2 other pax in my row, and nobody directly beside me.

I was most offended at the fact that I had no choice, and was 'forced' to close it. I asked for it to stay open and was told it would disturb other passengers - then the FA promptly closed it herself. Nevermind me, who paid the same $4-5k for the sector as everyone else...

 

[serfty]

... Fine but you can enjoy them for a few select moments during your 14 hour journey. Why bombard everyone else with the annoying light for the other 13.5 hours? ...

Hey, this thread is about a 7 hour daytime flight, not a 14 hour timezone breaker!

 

[11sjw]

Hey, this thread is about a 7 hour daytime flight, not a 14 hour timezone breaker!

Fair enough. The headache example was a PER-HKG (7.5hrs). Good illustration of ones actions having an adverse effect on others.

 

[blueflamenco]

I agree that you should shut your window shade no matter which cabin you are in. For all the reasons mentioned in this thread.

Plus.. Some people are really sensitive to sunlight

 

[david870mdg]

excuse me; but f.t.c who told you to shut your window.
if people exclusively want the windows shut they should allocate windows seats.
if you have been allocated a window seat; you are entitled to control the blind.
a flip side of the argument is that they FORCE you to open it during take off / landing so yeh...

 

[davidj-bell]

excuse me; but f.t.c who told you to shut your window.
if people exclusively want the windows shut they should allocate windows seats.
if you have been allocated a window seat; you are entitled to control the blind.
a flip side of the argument is that they FORCE you to open it during take off / landing so yeh...

This thread is getting a bit tiresome. It all comes down to being thoughtful to your fellow passengers, regardless of your cabin or the amount of money you've paid.

And, as noted by someone previously, blinds need to be open during take-off/landing for safety reasons.

 

[ComeFlyWithMe]

This does seem to have degenerated into a flame war quicker than I imagined

Perhaps I can fashion my blanket into my own private J curtain

As for those sensitive to light - try this:

 

[blueflamenco]

This does seem to have degenerated into a flame war quicker than I imagined

Perhaps I can fashion my blanket into my own private J curtain

As for those sensitive to light - try this:

Hehe.. I have considered it

 

[Dave Noble]

I was most offended at the fact that I had no choice, and was 'forced' to close it. I asked for it to stay open and was told it would disturb other passengers - then the FA promptly closed it herself. Nevermind me, who paid the same $4-5k for the sector as everyone else...

If that happens again get the customer service manager and complain about that FA. The FAs do not have the authority to force them to be closed. That they may want the flight to be a pseudo night flght does not mean that they have the right to require it

 

[simongr]

As for those sensitive to light - try this:

Doesn't help me watch a movie...

 

[NM]

Hey, this thread is about a 7 hour daytime flight, not a 14 hour timezone breaker!

And I see this as the important factor in this debate. Choose a day-time flight because its daytime outside and a 2 or 3 hours timezone change, is a very different situation to a 14 hour timezone breaker where its quite expected that people will be expecting to sleep.

 

[Alanslegal]

If most of the plane had its shades down (regardless of day of flight) and someone had theirs open and it was affecting me, I'd be :evil: . I might have to do something to make that person a bit upset, but lawfully of course.... anyone with any ideas? I have a few things in mind such as excessive moving around or stretching near them, whilst standing up and near them pass some wind (if available ), watch a funny movie to the point I laugh intolerably. I might even ask the person to consider closing the shades, say every few minutes for the duration of the flight (or until they close it). I could probably ask them every few minutes, what we are looking at outside? etc.

 

[Dave Noble]

And I see this as the important factor in this debate. Choose a day-time flight because its daytime outside and a 2 or 3 hours timezone change, is a very different situation to a 14 hour timezone breaker where its quite expected that people will be expecting to sleep.

indeed. a 9am departure on a 7 hour flight with a 2 hour time difference, seems more than reasonable to expect it to be daylight during flight; QF does offer night flights on that routing for darkness

Dave

 

[BAM1748]

I must say I do quite like the sun light streaming through a few windows, gives a surreal feel as it bounces off the all those white plastics in the cabin. Even if I'm watching something or reading, the distraction is not that bad or long to wreck my day as some people here say. In fact the distraction is welcome.

The individual sitting at the window can decide. Me, I prefer it up on day or night trips. (also a bit less claustrophobic)

Matt

 

[tuapekastar]

I can't see any issue, per se, with having the blind up on a daytime flight (it's logical), and if I was in a window seat (and normally the only reason I would be is because I specifically wanted to look out of it) I would happily keep it up the entire flight if I wanted.

That said, if I could see it was having a specific adverse effect on a neighbouring pax (making IFE unwatchable, that sort of thing, but not including someone who 'just wanted to sleep') then I would take whatever actions necessary to alleviate the situation, be it closing the blind or whatever.

 

[davidj-bell]

indeed. a 9am departure on a 7 hour flight with a 2 hour time difference, seems more than reasonable to expect it to be daylight during flight; QF does offer night flights on that routing for darkness

Dave

Let's not forget, some of these flights aren't a "7 hour flight with a 2 hour time difference", they're a 24 hour flight split over 2 legs with a 12 hour time difference. Some passengers are travelling the whole way, whereas others are picking up on the 2nd leg.

 

[drron]

If most of the plane had its shades down (regardless of day of flight) and someone had theirs open and it was affecting me, I'd be :evil: . I might have to do something to make that person a bit upset, but lawfully of course.... anyone with any ideas? I have a few things in mind such as excessive moving around or stretching near them, whilst standing up and near them pass some wind (if available ), watch a funny movie to the point I laugh intolerably. I might even ask the person to consider closing the shades, say every few minutes for the duration of the flight (or until they close it). I could probably ask them every few minutes, what we are looking at outside? etc.

Just be careful-the recipient of your endeavours may just have greater supplies of noxious gas than you
And if you have so much time to do this why do you need the shade down.
My last flight BNE-NRT-a 9 hour daylight flight leaving 9am hasd spectacular views first of the QLD Coast and well into the flight of Iwojima-That would have been missed if forced to have the shade closed.
And kindly remember your attitude might just p*ss me off as much as mine does yours.Let us just accept our differences.nothing i have read here convinces me that the shade down people have any more moral rights to their attitudes than those of us who like shades up on DAYLIGHT flights with no significant time zone changes.
Anyway I am lucky as seated next to mrsdrron who is definitely a shades up person-and heaven help you if you try and take her on:shock:

 

[blueflamenco]

If most of the plane had its shades down (regardless of day of flight) and someone had theirs open and it was affecting me, I'd be :evil: . I might have to do something to make that person a bit upset, but lawfully of course.... anyone with any ideas? I have a few things in mind such as excessive moving around or stretching near them, whilst standing up and near them pass some wind (if available ), watch a funny movie to the point I laugh intolerably. I might even ask the person to consider closing the shades, say every few minutes for the duration of the flight (or until they close it). I could probably ask them every few minutes, what we are looking at outside? etc.

Wow! I will never keep my shade up from now on for fear that you will be on board!

 

[Smackbum]

I am amused (almost) by the posters who believe that because they are sitting closest to the window that they can decide if the blind should be up or down. Sort of like me deciding whether anybody else is allowed to use "my" aisle. It is the property of the airline and their staff will determine how they are to be used (whilst obeying regulations for take-offs and landings, of course).

I suspect there are some deep-rooted insecurities at the heart of this, but let's not get into pop-psychology about the habits of some pax. That would be a Pandora's Box of issues.