Fly Onward - rent a one way ticket

[UP4014]

I cannot think of a reason why I personally would use this.

Matt

 

[ComeFlyWithMe]

If you really wanted to commit immigration fraud, you could just buy a fully refundable ticket, then refund it. You'd still be in breach of the visa condition requiring you to hold an onward ticket.

 

[TomVexille]

If you really wanted to commit immigration fraud, you could just buy a fully refundable ticket, then refund it. You'd still be in breach of the visa condition requiring you to hold an onward ticket.

But that requires you to stump up the cash upfront. Which this company does for you for a small fee.

Personally I'm not convinced that service itself is illegal. However using it may constitute immigration fraud depending on the country that you enter using the service. Can't think of an instance that I would need to do this myself, and even if I did, I would just buy a fully refundable ticket and refund it after I have left the country in question.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

If you really wanted to commit immigration fraud, you could just buy a fully refundable ticket, then refund it. You'd still be in breach of the visa condition requiring you to hold an onward ticket.

There are times when a return ticket is not a requirement of the country your are entering - China for example. If you have a visa there is no need for a return ticket. However - Jetstar (for example) will ask for proof of a return ticket to Australia (in case, I suppose, you are refused entry to China).

Using a company to provide that return ticket is not committing immigration fraud.

 

[harvyk]

But that requires you to stump up the cash upfront. Which this company does for you for a small fee.

Personally I'm not convinced that service itself is illegal. However using it may constitute immigration fraud depending on the country that you enter using the service. Can't think of an instance that I would need to do this myself, and even if I did, I would just buy a fully refundable ticket and refund it after I have left the country in question.

Oh I'm sure using the service is completely legal, the illegal part comes in when the service cancels your ticket and you become in breach of your visa.

To quote their own website under the "is this legal section" - "Therefore, you can legally use them as proof of your onward ticket."

i don't tend to trust websites which assure me what they are doing is legal, and second of all no mention is made about been legal from a visas point of view, just that it's "proof of onward travel". It's just this site reminds me of the guy at a party whom works just a little tok hard to make me think everything is fine.

 

[TomVexille]

Oh I'm sure using the service is completely legal, the illegal part comes in when the service cancels your ticket and you become in breach of your visa.

To quote their own website under the "is this legal section" - "Therefore, you can legally use them as proof of your onward ticket."

i don't tend to trust websites which assure me what they are doing is legal, and second of all no mention is made about been legal from a visas point of view, just that it's "proof of onward travel". Weasel words always make me nervous.

Exactly. The customer is the one potentially doing something illegal.

 

[dajop]

Because doctoring an eticket takes fraud to a whole new level. I'm sure the Australian and Singaporean authorities would be very interested to learn about doctoring of eTickets.

Yes at least that's a risk knowingly taken, rather than relying on third party to make out something is legal when it is probably not.

 

[ComeFlyWithMe]

There are times when a return ticket is not a requirement of the country your are entering - China for example. If you have a visa there is no need for a return ticket. However - Jetstar (for example) will ask for proof of a return ticket to Australia (in case, I suppose, you are refused entry to China).

Using a company to provide that return ticket is not committing immigration fraud.

Last time I applied for a visa to visit China, I was required to present at the visa centre with a return ticket and full travel itinerary, hence if you falsify the information you provide when applying for that visa, you have committed visa fraud, and you would have breached the visa conditions of it changes after that visa has been granted.

Most of this stuff is managed electronically now so immigration departments may well be aware that tickets have been cancelled and you could find yourself in a very interesting situation.

 

[dajop]

Last time I applied for a visa to visit China, I was required to present at the visa centre with a return ticket and full travel itinerary, hence if you falsify the information you provide when applying for that visa, you have committed visa fraud, and you would have breached the visa conditions of it changes after that visa has been granted..

People also have multi-entry visas, which usually only require return ticket to be shown for the first trip (or not at all sometimes).

Also, many people do present visa applications with non-ticketed itineraries - it is a way people manage risks of visa denials. Obviously after getting the visa, it or other similar flights are ticketed, but not always the same itinerary.

Mind you China is not a country to stuff around when it comes to these things.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

People also have multi-entry visas, which usually only require return ticket to be shown for the first trip (or not at all sometimes).

Also, many people do present visa applications with non-ticketed itineraries - it is a way people manage risks of visa denials. Obviously after getting the visa, it or other similar flights are ticketed, but not always the same itinerary.

Mind you China is not a country to stuff around when it comes to these things.

Multi-entry was the one I was thinking of. But even for single entry, the requirements for the china visa service (Melbourne) are these (note requirement is for booking record):

2. Supporting documents

Documents showing the itinerary including air ticket booking record (round trip) and proof of a hotel reservation, etc. or an Invitation Letter for Tourist issued by a relevant unit or individual in China.The invitation letter should contain:

(1) Information of the applicant (incl. full name, gender, date of birth, etc.);
(2) Details of the planned visit (incl. arrival and departure dates, place(s) to be visited, accomodation arrangements, etc.);
(3) Information of the inviting party(incl. name of organization or person concerned, contact telephone number, address, official stamp of the organization, signature of the legal representative or individual).

 

[harvyk]

Slightly OT (but not by much), an existing booking is required for a Chinese Visa? I have to admit I don't quite remember the order which I did things in when I got my Chinese Visa a few years back, but I was pretty sure I had dates picked out, but nothing actually booked.

I'm just a little surprised by this as it's possible to enter China via methods other than air or sea, and it's not unheard of for people to travel to Hong Kong, cross over into China (thus expiring their 1 time visit), crossing back into Hong Kong, and then attempting to travel to China via their original itinerary to find they get knocked back because their 1 time visit was already used. If entering on a specific flight was part of the visa conditions then the quick trip across the border at Hong Kong would not be possible (and thus saving embarrassment for the many a traveler accidentally using their Chinese visa at the wrong time)

 

[MEL_Traveller]

harvyk, I posted the Chinese visa application requirements just above (previous page), you require a ticket booking record... which so far for me has meant an itinerary, but not always a ticket number.

you are also free to enter China on any flight (or train or ship). Plans change and Chinese immigration are fairly pragmatic.

 

[Franky]

harvyk, I posted the Chinese visa application requirements just above (previous page), you require a ticket booking record... which so far for me has meant an itinerary, but not always a ticket number.

you are also free to enter China on any flight (or train or ship). Plans change and Chinese immigration are fairly pragmatic.

I was about to say expect beauracracy at its best. My wife has been flying to China frequently for the past 10 years to do Nursing Education work, and is always required to present her letters of invitation, itineray, passport along with the 3 page application. When I delievered her last application a few months ago, I had to argue my case against going back home to re-copy the invitation letter as they considerd the font too small. It was the same as all the other docs I had. They relented in the end, but expect the unexpected, and have copies of everything. They do a roaring trade in the Consul from their coin operated copying machine.

 

[sharkeyhall]

Any update about onward ticket now?My friend recommend BestOnwardticket .Have anyone used or heard about them?

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Any update about onward ticket now?My friend recommend BestOnwardticket .Have anyone used or heard about them?

It really depends where and how you want to use it. Some countries (for example China) will now phone the airline to confirm you are ticketed if you are wanting to use transit without visa. It would also be open for immigration in other countries to confirm your onward ticket if they chose to do so. A cancelled flight could end in refusal of entry.

If you had a specific country and reason in mind that might assist in being able to provide advice. For example if you had a visa to a country but Qantas, Jetstar or Virgin simply wanted evidence of a flight home, 'bestonwardticket' might suit the purpose.