Floundering Tiger to post $22M loss

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They wouldn't want to go much further into the red. It seems extreme fuel prices killed them. I just realized that these results were for the period when there was no Sydney/Brisbane routes. Were already more than half way through the next period.

How can they fund 60 more aircraft over the next few years when they are 100m in the red?

Tiger losses take chunk out of its parent's finances
HE parent of the Australian low-cost airline Tiger Airways lost about $S28 million ($22 million) for the year to March, a sharp reversal on the previous 12 months, when it posted a $S10 million profit. The result for the Singapore Airlines-backed Tiger Aviation indicates its Australian operations are still suffering large losses as it tries to establish a position in the domestic aviation market.
Tiger Aviation is the parent of Singapore's Tiger Airways and Tiger Airways Australia.
The privately owned airline is yet to lodge its annual accounts with Singaporean regulators but it has emerged that Singapore Airlines' share of Tiger's coughulative losses increased by $S14 million, or 44 per cent, to $S45 million for the year to March 31. Given it owns 49 per cent of the low-cost airline, Tiger lost an estimated $S28.4 million for the period.
Yesterday Singapore Airlines dismissed speculation that it had injected more capital into Tiger Aviation. But the biggest shareholder said it had stopped accounting for its share of further red ink at Tiger after accumulated losses exceeded its cash contribution of $S39.2 million.
Tiger Airways Australia did not respond to questions yesterday about its performance, saying only that it would be ''announcing our results shortly''.
The parent's Singapore-based chief executive, Tony Davis, has been upbeat about the airline's performance in Australia, but recently conceded it was still losing money. Tiger's only operation outside Singapore is in Australia.
In February Tiger, Australia's fourth-biggest airline brand, belatedly released its accounts for the year to March 31, 2008, which showed it ran up losses of $20 million. The figure included $7.9 million in start-up costs in Australia.
Tiger has recently shifted in its focus towards high-traffic routes, after a strategy of stimulating regional routes when it launched in Australia two years ago.
In July it signalled its intention to challenge Qantas, Jetstar and Virgin Blue when it began services on the country's busiest route, between Sydney and Melbourne. Since then it has announced services between Sydney and the Gold Coast - the fifth busiest route in Australia - and Melbourne and Brisbane.
However, industry insiders have been sceptical of Tiger's ability to service 18 routes in Australia with just seven Airbus A320 aircraft. An eighth is not due until early next year.
Tiger Aviation's other main shareholders are the private equity firm Indigo Partners and the Ryan family of Ireland, responsible for setting up Europe's largest airline, Ryanair.
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They wouldn't want to go much further into the red. It seems extreme fuel prices killed them. I just realized that these results were for the period when there was no Sydney/Brisbane routes. Were already more than half way through the next period.

How can they fund 60 more aircraft over the next few years when they are 100m in the red?

They will because the Singapore govt has very deep pockets. They don't care, its a strategic play to hurt QF Group in their homeland and has also crunched DJ's share in the process as well.
 
I'm surprised the losses aren't larger, but wouldn't be considered large in the airline business.

Do you get the idea Singapore would have liked to fly the Syd - LAX route.

Glad I don't work for them, as once the point has been made Tiger could easily pack up and move its planes.
 
Whilst SQ may not yet have contributed more money, be interested what Indigo and Tony Ryan are thinking.
 
Whilst SQ may not yet have contributed more money, be interested what Indigo and Tony Ryan are thinking.

Heard a bit of scuttlebut recently that TT are looking for an Aussie partner to take 51% of the compant, allowing them to use the A.O.C. to start flights on the Pacific route.
Could they utilise a SQ 777 in Tiger colours maybe in full service format ?

Cheers Dee
 
Heard a bit of scuttlebut recently that TT are looking for an Aussie partner to take 51% of the compant, allowing them to use the A.O.C. to start flights on the Pacific route.
Could they utilise a SQ 777 in Tiger colours maybe in full service format ?

Cheers Dee

Unlikely re the "full service" aspect. TT are very much so low-cost base. Get 'em on for as little as possible, and milk them with ancillaries.

DJ morphed into a quasi-full service carrier, but that was never as low-cost as TT is now. I'd be very surprised if TT tried to change tack and move into anything other than what they are now, ie a LCC that charges for everything extra over the seat.
 
Heard a bit of scuttlebut recently that TT are looking for an Aussie partner to take 51% of the compant, allowing them to use the A.O.C. to start flights on the Pacific route.
Could they utilise a SQ 777 in Tiger colours maybe in full service format ?

Cheers Dee
With an Australian AOC they need to comply with Australian regulations. With a 51% Australian company operating in Australia they also need to comply with Australian labour and tax laws. Those may negate some of the financial carrots some expect SQ would gain by being allowed to operate trans-Pacific in their own right.

I expect the aircraft would be required to have a VH registration. Not sure what arrangements with wet-leasing may negate this requirement, but I doubt the same aircraft would operate say SIN-SYD as an SQ flight then turn around and operate SYD-LAX as a Tiger Australia flight with an SQ codeshare.

So for Tiger (as a minority partner of an Australian company with an Australian AOC) to operate Trans Pacific, I expect they would require their own aircraft fleet.
 
DJ morphed into a quasi-full service carrier, but that was never as low-cost as TT is now.

I beg to differ...

I remember the start up days of DJ when they flew from 'the shed' in Sydney, everything was a charged extra and as a bonus the airfares were supercheap compared to Ansett and QF at the time.

Annoys me that once Ansett went under DJ slowly morphed into Ansett II and now their airfares are almost identical to QF...yet you still pay for extras.

Back to Tiger...not sure how they are expecting to expand with the same number of AC...they can barely cope now - the few times I've flown them the flights have always been late waiting for the AC to arrive from the previous destination.
 
I beg to differ...

I remember the start up days of DJ when they flew from 'the shed' in Sydney, everything was a charged extra and as a bonus the airfares were supercheap compared to Ansett and QF at the time.

Annoys me that once Ansett went under DJ slowly morphed into Ansett II and now their airfares are almost identical to QF...yet you still pay for extras.

Back to Tiger...not sure how they are expecting to expand with the same number of AC...they can barely cope now - the few times I've flown them the flights have always been late waiting for the AC to arrive from the previous destination.

DJ started at "the shed" as AN and QF were not about to give them space in their terminals. No other reason. When AN went under, DJ very quickly jumped into the AN space and expanded from there.

The only thing that was 'extra' was food/drink. Luggage was included like QF.

Compare DJ to TT. TT = seat. Want luggage? fee. Excess luggage? bigger fees. Want to pay for that excess or luggage using your credit card? that'll be another fee. Want to change your flight? Fee. Want to change that flight using your credit card? fee. Want Oxygen? fee. (ok that last one is tongue in cheek).

DJ were a 'next generation' LCC. They never had the ultra-low cost base that TT bases itself off.

And DJ were never 'super cheap'. When Impulse started, fares started to drop big time. For the time we had Impulse/DJ/AN/QF, fares were all very competitive. DJ's highest full fare was cheaper than QF's highest Y fare, but the others were all comparable.

Regardless, this is about TT not DJ :) DJ have become what they are out of necessity and market demand. Beardy Branson has even said 'expect more up the front of the plane'. They're turning into full service to fill a gap that AN left, but until they join some kind of real alliance, QF is having a field day :)

All of course, my 2c.
 
Back to Tiger...not sure how they are expecting to expand with the same number of AC...they can barely cope now - the few times I've flown them the flights have always been late waiting for the AC to arrive from the previous destination.

Exactly - they're trying to do too much with too little, even for a low cost carrier. One reason they're losing money is they don't have a clear business plan: the early focus on opening up new routes to regional centres has appeared to given way to focussing on the main routes between Melbourne/Gold Coast/Sydney/Adelaide/Brisbane.
 
I beg to differ...

Annoys me that once Ansett went under DJ slowly morphed into Ansett II and now their airfares are almost identical to QF...yet you still pay for extras.

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Yes perhaps personally annoying for you, but keep in mind for about 30% of travellers (DJ's market share) this arrangement works ok for them.

You have JQ who will undercut DJ for a similar level of service and then TT if you are prepared to risk your trip and sanity for cheaper. These two combined have filled the 'old' DJ gap.
 
Well it looks like an IPO is the way they intend to finance a larger fleet-
"Singapore’s Tiger Airways is set for an initial public offering next monday in a bid to help finance the purchase of a fleet of 50 Airbus A320s.
The low-cost carrier, which is 49-percent owned by Singapore Airlines has enlisted Morgan Stanley, Citigroup and Singapore’s DBS bank to manage the IPO, and is planning to sell up to 51 per cent of its shares."
http://www.breakingtravelnews.com/news/article/tiger-poised-for-ipo-next-month/
 
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Well it looks like an IPO is the way they intend to finance a larger fleet-
"Singapore’s Tiger Airways is set for an initial public offering next monday in a bid to help finance the purchase of a fleet of 50 Airbus A320s.
The low-cost carrier, which is 49-percent owned by Singapore Airlines has enlisted Morgan Stanley, Citigroup and Singapore’s DBS bank to manage the IPO, and is planning to sell up to 51 per cent of its shares."
http://www.breakingtravelnews.com/news/article/tiger-poised-for-ipo-next-month/
Which begs the question.

Who would invest money in this entity :?:
 
Q. What's the best was to end up with a small fortune from the airline industry?

A. Start with a large fortune.
 
For some odd reason, I hadn't seen this thread before (CRAFT disease :)). Thought it might relate to Tiger Woods. The title certainly fits.
 
I guess there’d be something stopping Qantas buying in to assert a bit more control? Not that they’d want to… though maybe it’d be just the thing to show SQ who’s in charge! :p
 
Well it will be interesting because wont they need to release all operational details to the public?
Up to now they have not said a word whether its figures or LF's, its all kept behind closed doors.
 
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