EWR no longer NYC after OCT 22

[cbourl]

IATA beschließt Neuordnung von City-Codes | EWR gehört bald nicht mehr zu NYC

Die International Air Transport Association (IATA) mit Sitz in Montreal ist unter anderem für die Vergabe von dreibuchstabigen Flughafencodes zuständig. Die C

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IATA is removing EWR aka NJ Newark from NYC (LGA, JFK occasionally HPN White Plains. Major implications for United (aka Continental Airlines who took the United name and applied their management. After all the preCOVID ads all over Manhattan for past 4-5 years where United promotes EWR over JFK (eg JFK you seem so far away I've literally dozens and dozens of pix of United promoting EWR in Manhattan preCOVID for YEARS)

Good to hear
EWR was NEVER NYC. Totally expensive to travel to timewise and especially $ (Around $US110 from Upper West Side whilst LGA is about US$ from UWS and JFK is FLAT STANDARD $52 US + Tips + toll and around 40-45 minutes from Upper WestSide (say Central Park West and 72nd) United lost and sold offf their slots at JFK T7 and took us to EWR with Continental management (United nur in Name) . For years United has advertised all over Manhattan how JFK is so far away and EWR is so fantastic, and NYC Manhattan and Brooklyn and Queens just laughed, and like me swapped to American transcon to LAX/SFO, as did many major US corporations. It truly is payback time to Continental Newark Airlines, now known as United. Ask any New Yorker

That is why a few days ago United said they will pull their miniscule flights transcontinental from JFK

United Airlines Ending All JFK Flights... Again

United Airlines will be completely pulling out of JFK as of late October 2022, after only resuming flights there in 2021. Here's why.

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Poor Continenetal Airlines - they still have disgraced Smisek quatsch aka rubbish to contend with .. sounds a bit like QANTAS aka Ozzie Airlines and their Ansett import Joycie who has managed to butcher The Spirirt of Australia whilst on tens of millions of salary/bonuses

 

[Lynda2475]

Never made sense to include EWR in NY as it is well and truely in NJ, and the only way to get from EWR to NYC is in a NJ taxi, via NJ transit (bus or train) or private vehicle.

I dont see the fuss re labelling EWR where it truely is, which is not in New York (state or city).

 

[dajop]

Whatever really. But clearly some people have strong feelings about this.

It's about the same distance from downtown or Times Square as JFK, and if you're coming all the way from Sydney or SIngapore, it's a more than adequate jumping off point for New York, depending on fare. It' closer to New York than LGW, STN or LUT are to London, MXP is to Milan, PVG is to Shanghai, and so on ...

Will it be still considered a co-terminal for ticketing purposes? If not, then I am sure this is a bad move for some.

 

[get me outta here]

SQ A350 ULR departs EWR to SIN. Transport from midtown goes parallel with Manhattan island to EWR and is a nice final look at the NYC skyline as one departs.

 

[kpc]

5 years ago, we landed in EWR and left via JFK....the Uber from EWR to our hotel in downtown Manhattan and from the same hotel to JFK was almost identical at US$51

 

[Lynda2475]

Seems a fuss over nothing, EWR has always been in NJ.

Commuting distance is irrelevant to correctly labelling location. EWR being in NJ, doesnt stop anyone choosing to fly there and commuting to NY, PA or anywhere else near by.

Noting that because JFK is in NY you can get from JFK to anywhere in Manhattan or Brooklyn by subway for $8, whereas by NJ transit EWR to anywhere other than Penn Station manhattan costs 3 times more.

 

[dajop]

From this side of the world we don't really care. It technically might not be in New York City, but it definitely an airport that serves New York City, that is not going to change. In fact it is located in the metropolitan statistical area that includes New York.

 

[SYD]

From this side of the world we don't really care. It technically might not be in New York City, but it definitely an airport that serves New York City, that is not going to change. In fact it is located in the metropolitan statistical area that includes New York.

and *any* airline that flies there will probably still throw up EWR, LGA and JFK flight options in their search engines.

 

[cbourl]

As per Frankfurtflyer IIROPS will not allow re-routing to JFK if flying to EWR and v.v EWR is still a Continental pit Personally I use JFK and LGA From the UWS its much cheaper and easier to access first world airports than to cross into NJ And that applies for public transport as well as taxi/driving

 

[dajop]

you can get from JFK to anywhere in Manhattan or Brooklyn by subway for $8, whereas by NJ transit EWR to anywhere other than Penn Station manhattan costs 3 times more.

3 x more? Don't think so.
$10.75 (air train fee is $8) from JFK tp anywhere in Manhattan/Brooklyn via airtrain/subway.
$18.25 from EWR ($15.50 to Penn station on NJT + $2.75 onward to anywhere else).
$13.75 from EWR to downtown via NJT to Newark Penn Station ($11)/PATH ($2.75).
Also, from JFK to Penn Station by LIRR - $15.75 off peak. $18.75 peak. So all really similar.
$2.75 from LGA (bus -> Subway)

If the differences in these fares are a concern, probably best not to travel to NYC in the first place

 

[aus_flyer]

Is this going to result in some itineraries having a 'stop' rather than a 'transit' if it's no longer considered the same city?

Eg. LHR-EWR, transit, JFK-LAX ?

 

[Lynda2475]

Fare difference doesn't concern me, because I stay on LES, its quicker for me to travel to and from JFK or LGA.

Is this going to result in some itineraries having a 'stop' rather than a 'transit' if it's no longer considered the same city?

Perhaps but how many connect from a flight at EWR to JFK on the same day? On a OWA if the stop is less than 24 hours its a transit anyway.

 

[cbourl]

3 x more? Don't think so.
$10.75 (air train fee is $8) from JFK tp anywhere in Manhattan/Brooklyn via airtrain/subway.
$18.25 from EWR ($15.50 to Penn station on NJT + $2.75 onward to anywhere else).
$13.75 from EWR to downtown via NJT to Newark Penn Station ($11)/PATH ($2.75).
Also, from JFK to Penn Station by LIRR - $15.75 off peak. $18.75 peak. So all really similar.
$2.75 from LGA (bus -> Subway)

If the differences in these fares are a concern, probably best not to travel to NYC in the first place

Last time I did public to EWR for a mileage run daytrip to SFO, NYCT tansit commecting to NJ Transit to Neward then additional cost of EWR Skytrain ( so yes about 30 US$ return
And taxi? Flat $52 + tip anywhere Manhattan NYC to JFK thx to Bloomberg who introduced this when he was mayor. UWS say 72nd/CPW to EWR is aboutUS $115 + tip last time I did it 2019 thats a substantial difference

 

[aus_flyer]

Perhaps but how many connect from a flight at EWR to JFK on the same day? On a OWA if the stop is less than 24 hours its a transit anyway.

Isn't that only the case when you arrive and depart from the same city? I thought if it was a different city then it was a stop regardless of duration

 

[Lynda2475]

Fixed taxi fee still in play from JFK $52 plus a $4.50 surcharge during peak hours (4-8 p.m. weekdays), including a 20% tip its under $63. Because i was commuting off peak with more luggage than usual I caught a taxi last month, whereas if I didnt have the extra suitcase would have taken the subway as usual.

Isn't that only the case when you arrive and depart from the same city? I thought if it was a different city then it was a stop regardless of duration

Not completely sure that is why I said perhaps. IME BA, AA, QF and CX tend to favour JFK anyway, so more likely any OWA routing would include JFK over EWR. Suspect impact would be more to other FF programs/alliances.

 

[andye]

FWIW LCY is the only airport in Central London and LHR is in Greater London (just) but all the other LON airports are outside

 

[NM]

Not completely sure that is why I said perhaps. IME BA, AA, QF and CX tend to favour JFK anyway, so more likely any OWA routing would include JFK over EWR anyway.

That is not my personal experience. I arrived into JFK on QF from LAX, and departed EWR on BA to LHR. That was on a DONE4, not a OWA, but I don't see why a OWA would make any difference.

Previously, again on a DONE4, I arrived into LGA from DFW and departed JFK to LHR.

Both worked for me and there different reasons for choosing those arrival and departure points. Neither time was I visiting Manhattan. The one time I did visit and stay in Manhattan, I chose to arrive and depart by train (arrived at Penn Station from BWI and departed Penn Station to Niagara) but that was traveling with three generations of family and was selected as it was so much more convient for us even though we were all traveling on OWA.

So none of these trips would have been planned any differently if EWR was/wasn't considered co-located NYC for fare rules.

 

[dajop]

I think we can all agree different stroke for different folks ...

 

[Lynda2475]

I arrived into JFK on QF from LAX, and departed EWR on BA to LHR.

Opposite to me, but i fly other direction and have always been offered JFK when flying from LHR to NYC. JFK, DFW and ORD are all AA hubs, EWR is not. QF only flies out of JFK.

And all of these options (your preference and mine) are still possible even though EWR is in NJ where it has always been. So a non event for most.

 

[docjames]

Will it be still considered a co-terminal for ticketing purposes? If not, then I am sure this is a bad move for some.

This is the key implication - it wont show as an NYC option in GDS, and will need to be separately searched (bad for the airlines) and priced (good/bad for both airline and pax), and will be effectively open jaw for an NYC itinerary (which may incur cost variations - eg. LAX-EWR, JFK-LAX would price as two oneways - probably a bigger issue TATL to be honest that Transcon as may ticket as two one-way fares rather than a return eg. MUC-JFK, EWR-MUC).

(Not sure if I’ve explained that brilliantly, but hopefully the gist is clear).


FWIW, it may not be NY, but it certainly serves NYC.