Earning Points and SCs when on Government, Large Corporates or working for QF

Matt_01

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I have read a few posts about members asking if the organisation can make them use points for business travel that they have earned through business travel. This got me thinking about want some employees receive as a benefit as I understand things:
  • Government travel - when flying SCs are earned points maybe not, is this consistent across all level of Government or just limited to the Commonwealth, APS, ADF.
  • Large Corporates - I assume would depend on the travel policy. I Work for one of these and our policies allow us to pick and choose the carrier and hotel provided it is within the policy and financial guidelines
  • QF or any other airline - if travelling on 'staff travel' are SC's/ miles/ points earned. I would have thought not but would be interested to know if this is a potential benefit.
 
I have read a few posts about members asking if the organisation can make them use points for business travel that they have earned through business travel. This got me thinking about want some employees receive as a benefit as I understand things:
  • Government travel - when flying SCs are earned points maybe not, is this consistent across all level of Government or just limited to the Commonwealth, APS, ADF.
  • Large Corporates - I assume would depend on the travel policy. I Work for one of these and our policies allow us to pick and choose the carrier and hotel provided it is within the policy and financial guidelines
  • QF or any other airline - if travelling on 'staff travel' are SC's/ miles/ points earned. I would have thought not but would be interested to know if this is a potential benefit.

Tickets purchased through the WoAG contract automatically have points excluded (and if they slip through, they'll go back and audit and get removed anyway). For tickets purchased through other means, the onus is on the traveller to have the points excluded. It's considered fraud to keep points earnt through commonwealth funded travel.

WoAG is only commonwealth, it doesn't apply to state or local governments. I guess the requirements for state travel are far more insular, more regional, so the spend would be way less than the Commonwealth.

Back when they had their own contract, they said Defence was Qantas's biggest contract.
 
For Government, the details are here:


Essentially, earn of status credits is acceptable but points are not OK. Additionally, you can't use your points to request an upgrade if on offical travel. It also states that enrolling in promotions such as DSC should not be done by Government travellers - but I don't know how this would work as obviously people will also be doing their own personal travel too.

I know if organising a Qantas charter flight, points and status credits can be added for passengers but it is a paid add-on.

Unsure if private / negotiated fares booked by corporates have the option to exclude points and status credits but I've personally not seen this myself.

For staff travel, no points or status credits are earned.
 
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Tickets purchased through the WoAG contract automatically have points excluded (and if they slip through, they'll go back and audit and get removed anyway). For tickets purchased through other means, the onus is on the traveller to have the points excluded. It's considered fraud to keep points earnt through commonwealth funded travel.
Thanks, your second and third sentence answers is the the reason why I asked this question, my brother is still a serving officer in the ADF and what he was telling me around fraud did not make sense. Is there an intranet portal or a employee provided a discount code to book under the WoAG (what ever this is) at discounted rates, if so I now understand what my brother was alluding to.
Back when they had their own contract, they said Defence was Qantas's biggest contract.
I am ex ADF and back then Defence had their own contract. My QF membership started when AN lost the defence contract and QF gave all those with AN GW membership QP membership. I cannot remember all the details on miles, up grades etc. but IIRC it was a very different program in the early 90s than it is now. @serfty I think may have insight into the early QFF program.
 
Thanks, your second and third sentence answers is the the reason why I asked this question, my brother is still a serving officer in the ADF and what he was telling me around fraud did not make sense. Is there an intranet portal or a employee provided a discount code to book under the WoAG (what ever this is) at discounted rates, if so I now understand what my brother was alluding to.

I am ex ADF and back then Defence had their own contract. My QF membership started when AN lost the defence contract and QF gave all those with AN GW membership QP membership. I cannot remember all the details on miles, up grades etc. but IIRC it was a very different program in the early 90s than it is now. @serfty I think may have insight into the early QFF program.
QBT (no longer affiliated with Qantas) have the WoAG booking contract and all bookings must go through them - either via phone or their website. They will book all airlines, not just Qantas.

It’s pretty similar to when Defence and it’s own contract.
 
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@justinbrett if you do not know it does not matter is "QBT (no longer affiliated with Qantas)" was it sold off from QF and is it similar offering to other corporate travel providers e.g. Serko. Serko is the booking name on our intranet however it seems to just be some type aggregator and a front for AMEX Global Business Travel. It allows you to store multiple FF and hotel programs, passport details, personal and corporate CC and is. The only real draw back is we are not allowed to use this system for personal bookings.
 
@justinbrett if you do not know it does not matter is "QBT (no longer affiliated with Qantas)" was it sold off from QF and is it similar offering to other corporate travel providers e.g. Serko. Serko is the booking name on our intranet however it seems to just be some type aggregator and a front for AMEX Global Business Travel. It allows you to store multiple FF and hotel programs, passport details, personal and corporate CC and is. The only real draw back is we are not allowed to use this system for personal bookings.
Yes, it used to be called Qantas Business Travel and even had the Qantas logo.


WoAG has specific fares for QF and VA not available to the general public and this is the only way to get them (or by phoning them), you can’t book directly with the airlines. They do sell other airlines like JQ but they don’t offer WoAG fares, but I believe there is a small discount. Yes you can book hotels and cars tool and it stores all of that include your government travel credit card. You can’t book personal fares on it.
 
Not even 'allowed' to enter your frequent flyer number if you're staff, but that rule goes out the window if you are management though 🙄.
 
Some airlines let you use lounge access for staff travel that has been acquired from personal travel on regular fares. I don’t think QF is one of those.
 
Some airlines let you use lounge access for staff travel that has been acquired from personal travel on regular fares. I don’t think QF is one of those.
That is correct. However, the rules generally allow you to be guested into the lounge even when travelling on staff travel.
 
Having left the APS some years ago, whats been described above is about right.

separate internet portal with a sign-in password arrangement

there was a traffic light system utilised to obtain Best Fare of the Day BFOD And the game was to make the little red man into a little green gal so as to fly the flight you actually wanted. This could be fiddled by adjusting time periods and/or checking for a number of days in a row until it happened. You could otherwise “OVER-RIDE” as there was a drop-down box with half a dozen reasons. My favourite reason was “inconvenient timings”.
one of my bosses told me I had to book BFOD so of course it came to pass that that fare involved Canberra to Brisbane to home - a long dog leg on Virgin - being cheaper than the direct flight home. Then she turned around and said I must not be stupid ...... not that he changed his mind of course. Rules are RIGID rules until they’re FLEXIBLE

there were rules of class (yes SES were eligible to fly J, and EL2s if the trip was over 1,600 km in length).

further, Y fares were DISCOUNTED by 50% or so - never seen QF fares so low (except on flights to/from Canberra - no discounts there)

most people preferred Qantas for the more likely you were to travel once a month you could get the boss to pay for your Qantas club membership,.....
sighs
and few wished to fly virgin as there were no evening meals which meant you couldn’t Ghosh up in the club and on the flight and pocket your tax-free meal money - well, that’s until I discovered if you bought a Virgin Government fare, you were allowed to access Virgins Canberra lounge for free. Of course, seems to have vanished after Virgin vanished.... Virgin were clearly BFOD as the pollies and their staffers LOVED QF and this filled up seats and thus inflated prices on last minute booking of QF flights

there were so many JQ Cancellations, people hardly bothered with them ( except Newcastle had direct JQ flights to Melb which staff there used regularly)


Noone cared about DSCs because people did PRIVATE travel on top of employment travel but perish the thought you might receive frequent flyer points. And it was a SHOULD NOT accept DSC FAQs - Airlines and Travel Management Services | Department of Finance


when I think of more, I’ll add them

PS hotels may or may not be separate to fares inside a “ different” but linked window and had the appearance of being a skin masking a well known but separate hotel booking company.
 
Do bookings for hotels through AOT/QBT count for status in any hotel programs? Hard to tell if will show up as third party booking (ineligible) or corporate travel agent (eligible)
 
Do bookings for hotels through AOT/QBT count for status in any hotel programs? Hard to tell if will show up as third party booking (ineligible) or corporate travel agent (eligible)
Don’t think so.
Happy to be proven wrong though.
 
You're not missing much. Staff travel rarely works, and it's generally easier, safer, and perhaps cheaper, to buy a real ticket.
Sad but true.

Lots of 737 “E” seats lately… 19E/23E/7E……
 
I know someone who works for a business contracted by Qantas. When flying as part of their work for Qantas, their tickets are issued from a "Qantas Staff Duty Travel" email address and show a very cheap (sub $100) fare each way + taxes for short/medium domestic routes. My understanding is that this cost is actually charged to their employer.

They are seemingly always booked into M class. Their flights are sometimes confirmed and sometimes waitlisted depending on loads (even if M is showing >0) although it's very rare for them to not get a seat on the plane.

They don't earn points or SC, the flight shows up on their activity statement as "ineligible" or something along those lines. They've had no issue accessing the lounge through status when their QFF number is attached. They are very frequently upgraded.
 
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Do bookings for hotels through AOT/QBT count for status in any hotel programs? Hard to tell if will show up as third party booking (ineligible) or corporate travel agent (eligible)

My employer (private sector) previously used QBT and I've had stays at Accor / Hilton properties booked through them credit correctly.
 
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