Discussion/Q&A on Best QF Status Run Options

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This thread is for Questions and General discussion regarding the Best Status Run Options for QFF as per this thread:

Overview of Best Status Run Options [not the discussion thread]

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Even if they do ask questions just say "Points mate".

yep honesty best policy if in doubt.

really though between AU-NZ it's pseudo domestic so really it's not much more of an issue than say doing MEL-PER r/t.
 
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I have used my job for a reason, cleaning contractor, and that has been okayed a few times.
I have been asked, as mentioned on here about 12/18 months back, what, you are only coming to NZ for an overnight stay??? This was asked by the Smartgate collector at AKL downstairs, ... told him I wanted to try NZ wide bodied plane, but NZ118 became NZ718, equipment swapped to narrow bodied plane, he then let me through.
Granted Pushka is planning a straight turnaround without passing NZ immigration/customs.
Have always wondered if the Smartgate system is smart enough to note you have gone out and come back that same day, like what is the lag time between Aust immigration outgoing record and incoming record keeping.
Edit: wow, Medhead, if I did EK metal QF flight number ADL - MEL - KUL - MEL - ADL over a long weekend, I just know the "sit on the potty"/controlled toilet at MEL customs int secure zone will happen.
Ta, NZ_Flyer.
 
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Have done 3 hr visits to Auckland and Christchurch periodically, last time just a few weeks ago, and nobody bats an eyelid at either end. BTW the last time someone asked me why I was visiting was 2011 for the rwc and I suspect that was apparent to the casual observer.
 
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I have used my job for a reason, cleaning contractor, and that has been okayed a few times.
I have been asked, as mentioned on here about 12/18 months back, what, you are only coming to NZ for an overnight stay??? This was asked by the Smartgate collector at AKL downstairs, ... told him I wanted to try NZ wide bodied plane, but NZ118 became NZ718, equipment swapped to narrow bodied plane, he then let me through.
Granted Pushka is planning a straight turnaround without passing NZ immigration/customs.
Have always wondered if the Smartgate system is smart enough to note you have gone out and come back that same day, like what is the lag time between Aust immigration outgoing record and incoming record keeping.
Edit: wow, Medhead, if I did EK metal QF flight number ADL - MEL - KUL - MEL - ADL over a long weekend, I just know the "sit on the potty"/controlled toilet at MEL customs int secure zone will happen.
Ta, NZ_Flyer.

I will have to ask my friends in [-]customs[/-] Australian Border Force if the system red flags you.
 
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re: Discussion/Q&A on Best QF Status Run Options

My SC year ends 31 Mar and I'm going to be 421 short of WP. I'll be in getting into LAX on 26 Mar but Im not sure if it's worth chasing down the extra SC. I realise retaining is easier than gaining WP, but I suspect 1200SC next year is very unlikely, so I'm not sure the value of chasing it in the first place.

My other option is to do a run on 1 April and begin accumulating to retain SG for next year. The downside to this option is I leave LAX 2 April at 2230 but I'm on VA and don't want to risk missing the flight if something goes wrong on the status run.

Strategy advice from the brains trust please?
 
re: Discussion/Q&A on Best QF Status Run Options

I just realised that from 1 Dec 2015, QF changed the earn rates for AA flights! Now short haul F domestic AA flights only earn 30SC instead of 40SC! Eg SFO-LAX. Another "enhancement"
Something to be aware of...
 
re: Discussion/Q&A on Best QF Status Run Options

I have used my job for a reason, cleaning contractor, and that has been okayed a few times.
I have been asked, as mentioned on here about 12/18 months back, what, you are only coming to NZ for an overnight stay??? This was asked by the Smartgate collector at AKL downstairs, ... told him I wanted to try NZ wide bodied plane, but NZ118 became NZ718, equipment swapped to narrow bodied plane, he then let me through.
Granted Pushka is planning a straight turnaround without passing NZ immigration/customs.
Have always wondered if the Smartgate system is smart enough to note you have gone out and come back that same day, like what is the lag time between Aust immigration outgoing record and incoming record keeping.
Edit: wow, Medhead, if I did EK metal QF flight number ADL - MEL - KUL - MEL - ADL over a long weekend, I just know the "sit on the potty"/controlled toilet at MEL customs int secure zone will happen.
Ta, NZ_Flyer.

Again honesty is the best policy - practice saying "I'm collecting points." No need to complicate it with SC or widebodies - 85% of border force don't know and don't care.
I came from SYD before my trip. If I was in ADL, I probably would've done something like ADL-KUL-BKK-KUL-SIN-KUL-BKK-KUL-ADL.
I did have one australian guy in BKK look closely at my passport. Before he even looked at the passport, he took one look at me and asked "You're an aviation enthusiast, aren't you?". I said "Yes". That was the only question and it wasn't difficult at all.
 
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Again honesty is the best policy - practice saying "I'm collecting points." No need to complicate it with SC or widebodies - 85% of border force don't know and don't care.
To use AP's own canine vernacular it's hard to teach an old dog new tricks.
 
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Just like after a while, you get to know the Adelaide Airport dom screeners by sight!
By rote: I am an aviation enthusiast.
Noted.
Ta.
 
Best QF Status Run Options - Questions and General Discussion

Ok. Booked. Fly out ADL and overnight Mel. Then MEL-AKL arrive early afternoon then AKL - Mel early evening departure and another overnighter in Mel. Back to ADL next morning. The NZ exit flight in F, used 50,000 FF points received for taking out a new credit card last year (easy come easy go) and something like a gap of $400 AUD. For that leg - 120 sc plus 50% bonus because I need to take something to our NZ client. MrP will actually be in AKL when I go. (Re-reading this post I sound like the poochie!)
 
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I was going to suggest (((ADL - DXB (J) - AKL (J) - MEL (F) - ADL (J).)))
On a purely revenue ticket, that would be the bees knees for collecting QF SC, assuming the new DXB - AKL direct flight will carry a QF flight number.
Edit: take something to your NZ client, on the OPC, you could say its "Conference"/"Business" and not "Holiday/Other".
Edit: just played around with the QF SC calculator, DXB - AKL - DXB looks like not in the QF tie up, no QF flight number, so no QF SC, bugga.
11,250 QF QF points one way though.
Will put the bone down now.
 
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Ok. Booked. Fly out ADL and overnight Mel. Then MEL-AKL arrive early afternoon then AKL - Mel early evening departure and another overnighter in Mel. Back to ADL next morning. The NZ exit flight in F, used 50,000 FF points received for taking out a new credit card last year (easy come easy go) and something like a gap of $400 AUD. For that leg - 120 sc plus 50% bonus because I need to take something to our NZ client. MrP will actually be in AKL when I go. (Re-reading this post I sound like the poochie!)
So when would you like the MEL AFFers to organise dinner for you?
 
re: Discussion/Q&A on Best QF Status Run Options

My SC year ends 31 Mar and I'm going to be 421 short of WP. I'll be in getting into LAX on 26 Mar but Im not sure if it's worth chasing down the extra SC. I realise retaining is easier than gaining WP, but I suspect 1200SC next year is very unlikely, so I'm not sure the value of chasing it in the first place.

My other option is to do a run on 1 April and begin accumulating to retain SG for next year. The downside to this option is I leave LAX 2 April at 2230 but I'm on VA and don't want to risk missing the flight if something goes wrong on the status run.

Strategy advice from the brains trust please?

I asked myself the same question last year when I was close to WP (In the end I did a day trip to SYD to tip me over the line). I'm trying to play the long game to get to LTG by picking up cheap SCs where I can though (although I'm miles off, even with forward bookings I'm only halfway to LTS).

For me at least, the benefits of WP are not significant when compared to SG:
- First class / Domestic business lounge access: Depends on your travel patterns. Like you, I'm based in DRW so limited use here given there is no separate Domestic Business Lounge. Will you be travelling a lot to SYD/MEL/BNE/PER or internationally next year? (The FC lounge at KUL is nothing to write home about either).
- Two guests in domestic lounges: Not sure about you, but very limited use for me.
- More points on QF flights: Not really useful for me, as I usually fly MH or JQ into Asia.
- Earlier confirmed upgrades: Useful if flying QF internationally...which they don't out of DRW.
- Possible soft landing to SG (3 year rule): This may be useful to preserve SG the following year with limited travel, but is an unpublished benefit.

In short, if you will be travelling to, or connecting internationally at, the major capitals next year you may get use out of WP. Personally, I probably wouldn't bother with either run (especially risking misconnecting to your flight back) if confident of qualifying for SG in your own right next year anyway.

Hope this helps and that I haven't missed anything.
 
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- Possible soft landing to SG (3 year rule): This may be useful to preserve SG the following year with limited travel, but is an unpublished benefit.

You may be confusing 2 different issues. The only mention I've heard of a 3 year rule is that sometimes people are offered retention of their status level when they don't get the required SC.
Anecdotally this sometimes happens when the average annual earn for the last 3 years is over the qualification level. I've never really read into the details of this rumour, but perhaps something like earning 3600 SC in the last 3 years but only 1000 in the last year. I don't know the details, just making these numbers up.

On the other hand I'm pretty sure soft landings, as in don't requalify at platinum so you move to gold, are a published benefit.
 
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I was going to suggest (((ADL - DXB (J) - AKL (J) - MEL (F) - ADL (J).)))
On a purely revenue ticket, that would be the bees knees for collecting QF SC, assuming the new DXB - AKL direct flight will carry a QF flight number.
Edit: take something to your NZ client, on the OPC, you could say its "Conference"/"Business" and not "Holiday/Other".
Edit: just played around with the QF SC calculator, DXB - AKL - DXB looks like not in the QF tie up, no QF flight number, so no QF SC, bugga.
11,250 QF QF points one way though.
Will put the bone down now.

What the...?

Have you actually bothered to price this out also?

Frankly telling NZ (or anyone) customs you're on business is likely to arouse slightly (very slightly) more suspicion than being honest about a points run or flying F or whatever if you ask me.

I honestly don't see your particular (oft stated) concern about questioned asked by border people. I mean I honestly do not understand why this seems to worry you so much. In fact the more you appear to worry about it probably gives off non verbals to those trained to spot them that you *are* concerned, and that would then possibly lead to further interest in you as a passenger (I mean seriously, have you watched Border Security at all? :p )

My view, as I have oft stated (and it's boring, and I apologise to everyone) is that doing day returns to NZ or whatever is *perfectly legal* - it's our money. There is absolutely nothing wrong with what we're doing. And you know if Smartgate picked up on a day return, well that's fine but it's also common for people to go places just for a few hours of meetings, and again it's not like you're going to a known drugs hotspot or something to do a "transaction" which may spark more justified interest(see below).

Yes Poochie, you've been asked some questions at AKL once or twice before (or maybe it was MEL, I can't keep track). - so what? they are *doing their job* - were you refused entry? No. Were you detained? No. Did it take undue time? Probably not. I've been asked the odd question and it really does *not* bother me. I've got nothing on me, I'm not doing anything wrong so I have absolutely nothing to fear from people doing their job. Frankly NZ/OZ etc immigration / customs could care less about people doing short turns or whatever unless they have a reason to.

Let me relate a story that I probably have earlier at some point, but somehow I feel it bears repeating. >10 years ago I did a day return MEL-BKK-HKG (well more of a day and a half given the distances) over Christmas as I needed some status miles prior to the end of that year and frankly, HKG on Christmas Day was always going to be much more fun than dead Melbourne. So I flew out late Dec 24 MEL-BKK-HKG in a mix of Y and F) and spent 8 hours in Honkers, then flew back HKG-BKK-MEL, arriving lunchtime 26th Dec. Well guess what Customs flagged me for inspection. And you know what? I'm glad they did - they're doing their job and clearly someone going through Thailand(A known high risk country) and only spending a few hours in HKG bloody well *should* set off a flag to anyone with any form of common sense. I was HLO and they checked and swabbed it and me - no result (of course since *I* knew I was clean) well the supervisor there was a bit grumpy and got in my face saying "9 times out of 10 people like you have drugs and I'm going to prove it"(or words to that effect). I didn't really appreciate the attitude but that's OK because hey, I didn't do anything wrong and I had nothing to worry about (except maybe the dude putting on the latex glove... :D) well they called in the AFP to interview me. When the guys came to interview me and the first thing they said was "Mate we were watching the cricket!" I relaxed. They were fine (and told me the score too :) ) and we talked for 20-30 minutes and yep, I just explained my thing, showed my FF status cards, discussed my work and income etc. They were satisfied and clearly rated me as a "harmless aviation nerd" and told customs to let me go (so they could get back to the cricket :) )... apart from that one grumpy cat supervisor, the rest of the Australian Customs Service(as they were then called) were polite, professional and friendly. I left still with a glare from that supervisor, who I am sure probably wanted me hauled off for an internal exam, but I was spared that (for the record I would have done that too willingly, if not happily, just because I know they would find nothing). I'd also note that previously my brother HAD had the fully body cavity search for spending 3 months in India and Thailand (and yet he was shocked to be pulled aside.. I was like uh really? What did you expect?) so again given that I was not at all surprised.

And while not the most fun of experiences I had absolutely nothing to worry about. I'd only done something unusual, not illegal. Our border protection agency (this was 2003 or 2004) were doing their jobs, and I could not fault them for that. Maybe Grumpy Cat's attitude, but that's life.

Since then I've not had a blip from anyone (maybe I've been marked as harmless for life? :) ) but you know what if I'm stopped again I won't be worried. I answer the questions, stay calm since there's nothing bad or wrong going on, and go through the process.

As soon as one worries about doing something they shouldn't be, that's when things can go wrong.

my 2 cents.
 
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Gee, my parting shot might have been something like "Well done, you proved that I was the 1 out of 10 without drugs"
 
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I don't expect to be asked but if I am I'm just going to say a relative bought me an early birthday present - a flight in F on the A380 and this was the cheapest way to do it.
 

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