Darwin Qantas Pub

As I stated, since the change to UTC, things may have changed. I've never understood why they would change GMT to UTC in any event.
GMT is a timezone that is tied to a specific geography UTC is a time standard for which every other time in the world is based off of (i.e. relative to). If I were to tell you 6 PM GMT what would that mean? I think some might confuse it to whatever the time in the UK is which could be either GMT some parts of the year or BST in other parts. Keep in mind too that even something as simple as daylight savings time doesn't make sense. When does daylight savings time start and end in the Northern Hemisphere? It's an open debate there is no one answer! Even within the same geography things don't make sense. Why is New Brunswick which geographically is right beside the US state of Maine one hour ahead of them, despite them being directly north of them? Why is it that right now Brisbane is an hour behind the rest of the East coast of Australia?

UTC does not have such nonsense. It does not jump around depending on the season, it's a nice consistent time standard that is separated from the peculiarities of things like geographies and time zones which frankly don't make any sense.

-RooFlyer88
 
GMT is a timezone that is tied to a specific geography UTC is a time standard for which every other time in the world is based off of (i.e. relative to).

As long as you're going to be pedantic, this isn't correct either. Greenwich *Mean* Time is not the same as the local civil time in Greenwich, London, UK. As you've noted, the actual civil time in Greenwich town may vary due to British Summer Time, and also the local noon can vary due to the equation of time, that is, differences due to the season. But Greenwich Mean Time always stays the same (it's the mean or average local noon at the specific location of the observatory), and is a former, outdated international standard, based on a quite well defined specific way of measuring the average time at that location. It's simply been replaced by UTC, but they are the same concept in the sense that they provide a universal time standard for everyone else to base their time zones from. There are some differences in the calculation concept that make UTC more reliable, but it's still tied to the same geography of the zero longitude line (prime meridian), which runs through the Greenwich Observatory.

I've never understood why they would change GMT to UTC in any event.

It's really underlying technical reasons that's mostly of importance to astronomers and time geeks, or those who work in related technical fields that rely on very precise timing, such as satellite navigation etc. The summary is that GMT is a traditional method based on observations at the observatory, which are subject to tiny errors at times. As atomic clocks were invented in the mid-20th century and time now could be measured much more precisely, without the error introduced by observation, international technical conferences were held to answer small questions about how to deal with the improved ways of measuring time. This is where you get into things like the revised international definition of a second (based on the caesium atom instead of earth observation), leap seconds to account for the earth's spin slowing slightly every year, etc. By using "UT" or later "UTC" you are signifying that you're using a time source that's compliant to all the current international conventions and the formal definition of Coordinated Universal Time as defined by the International Telecommunication Union and various treaties that implement the definition per-country. But if you use "GMT" you're signifying the use of an older, traditional measurement based system, rather than modern precise-in-every-way atomic clock method.

Certainly, the aviation industry uses UTC at all times, especially when it comes to things like GNSS (satellite navigation/GPS) where this high level of precision *matters* - microseconds can mean hundreds of metres. It's the reason Qantas and Virgin had no crash at Mildura on 18 June 2013, which could have been Australia's deadliest day in our aviation history, but you perhaps you never heard about it . GPS saved the day by allowing two planes to land safely in thick fog at Mildura despite being well below weather minimums. (Details: Landing below minima due to fog involving Boeing 737s, VH-YIR and VH-VYK, Mildura Airport, Victoria on 18 June 2013 | ATSB )

So yes there is a difference, and it matters, but mostly for historical and technical reasons - in lay parlance GMT and UTC are equivalent, and both refer to the international standard time (not the actual civil time in town at Greenwich).
 
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GMT is a timezone that is tied to a specific geography UTC is a time standard for which every other time in the world is based off of (i.e. relative to). If I were to tell you 6 PM GMT what would that mean? I think some might confuse it to whatever the time in the UK is which could be either GMT some parts of the year or BST in other parts. Keep in mind too that even something as simple as daylight savings time doesn't make sense. When does daylight savings time start and end in the Northern Hemisphere? It's an open debate there is no one answer! Even within the same geography things don't make sense. Why is New Brunswick which geographically is right beside the US state of Maine one hour ahead of them, despite them being directly north of them? Why is it that right now Brisbane is an hour behind the rest of the East coast of Australia?

UTC does not have such nonsense. It does not jump around depending on the season, it's a nice consistent time standard that is separated from the peculiarities of things like geographies and time zones which frankly don't make any sense.

-RooFlyer88
Get your drift. But 'If I were to tell you 6 PM GMT what would that mean?' To me, that should be expressed as 1800 GMT, but would mean to me in Perth the time was 0200 the following day...
 
There are (or were) actually 26 time zones - L for Lima meant Local, and indicated the time zone in which you are actually located. For example, I am in Perth and my actual time right now is 2044, and as we don't need daylight saving, GMT is 1246. Prior to the time zones changing to UTC, Perth was in Time Zone Hotel (GMT+8). As an example of this, if we in the Australian Defence Forces located around the world wanted to commemorate Armistice Day at 1100 on the 11th of November, the message would go out to say you will honour the occasion at 1100L in your area. In my time in the Navy, East Coast time zone was Juliet. Every message we ever got from Navy Office had a Date Time Group ending with a J. God knows what has happened to that...

Sorry but I think you are mistaken, or possibly the entire RAN was mistaken during your time of service.

It's definitely K for +10, L for + 11 and J is skipped (can be used for local time). I have seen many people in Defence not used to operational timings use L for local incorrectly, so I could see how that could mislead others.

The skipping of J for +10 goes back to Bowditch's American Practical Navigator which was published in 1802 and predates GMT itself. Apparently, J was omitted as it is missing from a lot of other languages.
 
Apparently, J was omitted as it is missing from a lot of other languages.
Compared to most of our letters in English, "J" is quite new and doesn't have a history going back to Latin like much of the rest of the alphabet, and is why it's missing from some other languages that use Latin alphabets. The letter "J" was originally just an embellishment or "swash" on the letter I, not considered a separate letter in itself - similar to the doubled vv (later uu) which became a separate letter w.
 
Sorry to bring this thread up again - have searched everywhere and cannot find the answer.

I know it says they are open up until Qantas flight departures but does that include jetstar and airnorth? I am flying out Fri AM at 00:10 and the last qantas flight looks like it's at 6pm.. Does that mean I won't have any lounge access? Was looking forward to relaxing there..
 
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When I flew out a few months ago there is a TV on the door with the opening times - usually three clusters, a morning period, a lunch/afternoon period and a late night period. If yours is the first flight of the cluster, then it will be open an hour before.
From my trip back in September:
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Sorry to bring this thread up again - have searched everywhere and cannot find the answer.

I know it says they are open up until Qantas flight departures but does that include jetstar and airnorth? I am flying out Fri AM at 00:10 and the last qantas flight looks like it's at 6pm.. Does that mean I won't have any lounge access? Was looking forward to relaxing there..
Per the Qantas website, it should open an hour before each Qantas operated/affiliated flight departs. Looking at the Darwin airport website the last QF flight of Friday is QF186 to BNE at 18:10 and the first QF related flight is QF1951 at 06:10 to ADL. With that being said, I would still pop by the QF lounge to see if they are open, since provided you are a Qantas Club member or are a Qantas Gold (or better) elite, you'll have access even if you are travelling on JQ. Additionally, when I flew out of DRW back in September for SYD it was that same red-eye JQ flight and the QF lounge was open and I was able to access it as a Gold. Granted, there were a couple of other QF flights departing at the time.

-RooFlyer88
 
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