[Confirmed] QF removing [cheap] ASAs [from web booking engine Jun 26] was 10April

[medhead]

re: [Confirmed] QF removing [cheap] ASAs [from web booking engine Jun 26-was]10April

If Marginal ASA's represent the "cheapest" ASAs available - in theory equivalent to a Classic reward.. By what factor are the next level of ASA's?

So for example if a Marginal ASA fare for a trip is say 30,000pts, then what is the next ASA level? 45,000 points? 33,000pts?

They can all be reduced to the same points cost as classic awards (not true now but I'll get to that). Just the dollar cost is higher because the they have a higher starting points cost. eg a BNE-SYD marginal JASA used to start at ~27000 points reducible to 16000 (?). Now the start point will be 35000 or 43000 or whatever. So we'll be paying for 0.8/0.9 cents per point for an extra 10/15/20 thousand points.

On to that difference. The new website booking system actually lets you drop the points down to 5000 points. Which is a big part of why I say these are not ASAs. Because the clear distinction in the past was points plus pay had a base of 5000 points whereas ASA had a base at the classic award level.

 

[koonyaflyer]

re: [Confirmed] QF removing [cheap] ASAs [from web booking engine Jun 26-was]10April

Exactly, it's stupid. How can you have one stopover in each direct but not be allowed a stopover at one end. I'll have to find the exact wording tomorrow, when back on a computer.

This one is very basic, Singapore is ORIGIN, Australia (let's say SYD) is Destination (aka turnaround). The STOPOVER is a point between origin and destination, so in the SIN SYD example you cannot have a stopover at BNE, but you could at a point outside Australia.

 

[medhead]

re: [Confirmed] QF removing [cheap] ASAs [from web booking engine Jun 26-was]10April

Looks like there have been a couple of changes ex-SIN that I can see at first glance. The user interface is shocking. I hope it is just teething issues.

Domestic stopovers are priced differently to before. Not a big deal. I will book those separately.

Very restrictive on having international/domestic connections on outbound sectors. A little bit better, but not much, on domestic/international connections on inbound sectors.

I've now just got back to a computer and this is what I get ex-sin. Stopover not permitted!

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This one is very basic, Singapore is ORIGIN, Australia (let's say SYD) is Destination (aka turnaround). The STOPOVER is a point between origin and destination, so in the SIN SYD example you cannot have a stopover at BNE, but you could at a point outside Australia.

See above. The stopover not permitted in Australia bit was actually for flights ex-Australia. Apparently it was previous possible to fly sin-xBNE/MEL-SYD and change to have a stopover at the intermediate city. No longer allowed in Australia.

The other issue, the stupidity, is that saying stopovers are allowed for SYD-SIN but not in Australia in effect means stopovers are not allowed. I can see no options offered via the website that include a point outside Australia besides SIN.

 

[eastwest101]

re: [Confirmed] QF removing [cheap] ASAs [from web booking engine Jun 26-was]10April

Agree 100%....this thread highlights (to me anyway) that not everything posted by the persons posting under the pseudonym, Red Roo, is the whole truth....

*Cough - Qantas Club access to BA Lounges * Cough

 

[amaroo]

re: [Confirmed] QF removing [cheap] ASAs [from web booking engine Jun 26-was]10April

On larger issues though, it's must the same. Take the recent catering fiasco.

They fixed a $10,000 issue for me - no questions asked. No status with BA, no BAEC membership .....the BAEC/FT rep just did it.

I spent weeks sending letters and calling various BA offices around the world - Nothing.

Googled FT, started a thread & the BAEC rep fixed it with a touch of the keyboard.

 

[RooFlyer]

re: [Confirmed] QF removing [cheap] ASAs [from web booking engine Jun 26-was]10April

They fixed a $10,000 issue for me - no questions asked. No status with BA, no BAEC membership .....the BAEC/FT rep just did it.

I spent weeks sending letters and calling various BA offices around the world - Nothing.

Googled FT, started a thread & the BAEC rep fixed it with a touch of the keyboard.

Ditto for me, but with Lufthansa. I was faced with an implacable, 3-months non responsive LH monolith trying to get a pretty straightforward refund of abt $500 equivalent. A note to the LH 'Official Lurkers' on FT got the refund into my account in abt 10 days.

I must say though the Red Roo at FT isn't very active, although does appear to help from time to time.

 

[nlagalle]

re: [Confirmed] QF removing [cheap] ASAs [from web booking engine Jun 26-was]10April

I can understand where that train of thought is coming from but what I am referring to is these information sources that were available at about midday/2pm yesterday
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maybe Markis10 didn't choose his words quite rightly but I don't think that a seasoned traveller would make such proclamations if they had something to hide. So I feel that a few people are kind of running with this to vent their frustrations.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, frustrations and people will act as they see fit.

Usually I am proud to be a member of this forum but there are occasions where I have to stop and think...
No disrespect to you or the others who feel the same way, I am sure there are a lot of people feeling a little sore for a number of reasons.
I didn't book anything yesterday or over the last 3 months because I simply didn't have the points to book the flights I wanted - J to JNB.. and now I might just have to fly classic so be it. Its not Markis10's fault I didn't ... David Flynn and Nick La Galle all told me to book... and I didn't

We need to also remember that people have other things, they can't be available to answer our demands of their accountability within an instant.
So Qantas launched a new website today which seems to have many flaws... how much time do you think redroo has at the moment to jump on here and appease us all... I am sure there are meetings and some nice big issues to deal with for booking etc that need to happen right now...
We all need a few days to wait for it to calm down I think then see what the real impact is

I find this strange that I told you to book? Considering your screenshot is actually a link back to this actual thread! and that was posted well before any announcement of a briefing. Even David's post is vague as it was posted before the presentation happened. Rather just saying there was a briefing.

I'll state it again, I was on the call as well, however I did not book a single flight after the booking (or even before) even though I actually need to book tickets.. Until the call was held I had no idea what would be transpiring aside from what was said on this thread.

 

[equus]

re: [Confirmed] QF removing [cheap] ASAs [from web booking engine Jun 26-was]10April

I am not sure why everyone is so hung up on how long it is going to take on the phone searching for possible routes.

The objective is to find flights with classic award availability and then book those as an ASA. Guess what folks, searching for classic award availability is still available on the website (if it works), or indeed via Expertflyer (and yes, this doesn't show you any extra availability due to status, but that actually works better in this case, as it seemed to be only the "base" award inventory which could be booked as ASA). So search away, work out the flights you want, then ring and book them. Just like using the Oneworld tool to construct and validate a xONEn itinerary, and then ringing the AA ATW desk to book it.

Actually, in typing this, I am wondering if there may actually be the possibility of a small silver lining in this having to book over the phone. Previously, extra status related classic availability wasn't accessible to ASA pricing on the web site. Maybe, just maybe, however this is being done "manually" now, will be able to utilise this - which may actually improve things for some with status (but means using the QF web site to search for availability, not EF).

 

[moa999]

re: [Confirmed] QF removing [cheap] ASAs [from web booking engine Jun 26-was]10April

I actually think it may make for greater availability as these fares are less available, and also searching for a Classic Award is a little more hidden (yes I know its a checkbox)

 

[lovestotravel]

re: [Confirmed] QF removing [cheap] ASAs [from web booking engine Jun 26-was]10April

So now EVERY classic award is available as a FASA/JASA ?

Even those extra classic award seats that you may/may not see as a Plat etc ?

 

[dajop]

re: [Confirmed] QF removing [cheap] ASAs [from web booking engine Jun 26-was]10April

I've now just got back to a computer and this is what I get ex-sin. Stopover not permitted!

See above. The stopover not permitted in Australia bit was actually for flights ex-Australia. Apparently it was previous possible to fly sin-xBNE/MEL-SYD and change to have a stopover at the intermediate city. No longer allowed in Australia.

Shame. They used actually promote the benefit of stopover in Australia, and visit two cities almost for the price of one. But let's not forget the engagement and renewed focus on Asia is all about Australians travelling to Asia. Not the other way around.

 

[shellthom]

re: [Confirmed] QF removing [cheap] ASAs [from web booking engine Jun 26-was]10April

I find this strange that I told you to book? Considering your screenshot is actually a link back to this actual thread! and that was posted well before any announcement of a briefing. Even David's post is vague as it was posted before the presentation happened. Rather just saying there was a briefing.

I'll state it again, I was on the call as well, however I did not book a single flight after the booking (or even before) even though I actually need to book tickets.. Until the call was held I had no idea what would be transpiring aside from what was said on this thread.

Thats all I needed. Thats me. I was convinced after the first post though.
Each person can place whatever value they see on the information they find.
I choose to believe the first and second and third time but was unable to book.
When I saw the link to the OP's new post I started searching for dates but still didn't have enough points to book.

If your coming to dinner on sat you can question me more about how I believe things that aren't true..
Unicorns for one, super real!

 

[turtlemichael]

re: [Confirmed] QF removing [cheap] ASAs [from web booking engine Jun 26-was]10April

So now EVERY classic award is available as a FASA/JASA ?

Even those extra classic award seats that you may/may not see as a Plat etc ?

That is the 64 thousand dollar question. Find a rewarding classic award, get on the phone and ask for it as a marginal JASA and what will the answer be? I suspect not all will be available as in the past months I've found plenty that were not replicated as JASAs. But interested to hear how people get on.

 

[shellthom]

re: [Confirmed] QF removing [cheap] ASAs [from web booking engine Jun 26-was]10April

That is the 64 thousand dollar question. Find a rewarding classic award, get on the phone and ask for it as a marginal JASA and what will the answer be? I suspect not all will be available as in the past months I've found plenty that were not replicated as JASAs. But interested to hear how people get on.

Tried to find the answer out this morning ... couldn't be bothered with the wait time.. might try again later

 

[DC3]

re: [Confirmed] QF removing [cheap] ASAs [from web booking engine Jun 26-was]10April

As I must now book a JASA through the Call Centre, that I could previously book on-line, am I now expected to pay a booking fee?

 

[k3nnis]

re: [Confirmed] QF removing [cheap] ASAs [from web booking engine Jun 26-was]10April

Nope no booking fee.

As I must now book a JASA through the Call Centre, that I could previously book on-line, am I now expected to pay a booking fee?

 

[Edge]

re: [Confirmed] QF removing [cheap] ASAs [from web booking engine Jun 26-was]10April

Why don't the just change it so that classic awards earn SCs (not SCs and points, just SCs)? Would simplify a lot of things.

 

[nlagalle]

re: [Confirmed] QF removing [cheap] ASAs [from web booking engine Jun 26-was]10April

Why don't the just change it so that classic awards earn SCs (not SCs and points, just SCs)? Would simplify a lot of things.

I did pose this question during the briefing but there was no comment about it.. You are right it would make the whole debate go away!

 

[11sjw]

re: [Confirmed] QF removing [cheap] ASAs [from web booking engine Jun 26-was]10April

Why don't the just change it so that classic awards earn SCs (not SCs and points, just SCs)? Would simplify a lot of things.

Makes a whole pile of sense.

 

[Hvr]

re: [Confirmed] QF removing [cheap] ASAs [from web booking engine Jun 26-was]10April

Why don't the just change it so that classic awards earn SCs (not SCs and points, just SCs)? Would simplify a lot of things.

Heck they could even use the government codes which only earn SCs.