Citibank readyCredit - Give yourself a present this xmas

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JohnK i think it's unfair you call me naive.

I called Citibank on many occasions before signing up to confirm they did not have any fees and they advised this was correct.

My beef with Citibank isn't that they have fees - it's that they bribed me to spend money on a credit account. Spend $1000 and you don't pay our $160 fee, don't spend anyone money and we'll charge you.

Not only this but i was only three months into my account being opened. T&C's or not, Citibank are dishonest and I too spread the word that people at work or home should not use them.

I would be happier to have paid 10% interest at the NAB on a personal loan than give these people anymore of my money.
 
e_wolfe said:
JohnK said:
If you believed this then you are naive.

I think it's completely normal to rely on terms and conditions.
And as I said if you read the fine print they have it in their power to change the terms and conditions anytime without our permission. You and I and everyone else sign these documents so it is legally binding. May not be fair or ethical but is part of conducting business with financial institutions.

I couldn't even try to remember how many amendments I have received so far to terms and conditions for the various loans and credit cards in my possession. They just get filed in my garbage disposal system. My stupid fault for giving any of them my business.
 
jennim02 said:
JohnK i think it's unfair you call me naive.

I called Citibank on many occasions before signing up to confirm they did not have any fees and they advised this was correct.
Sorry, my stupidity as I probably used the wrong words. I do apologise if I have offended in any way.

I should have highlighted the fact that any financial organisation can change their t&c's at any time without our permission. I do not agree with it but that is life. It happens to me all the time with personal loans, home loans and credit cards.

There is no such thing as never having any fees. It is just a dumb stupid gimmick that they use to trick people and should not be allowed to happen. I have a home loan, not citibank, and not long after they decided to bring in an $8/month processing fee. What? Isn't the interest I pay enough. The same with GE credit line, they slug me for paying bill at Australian Post, slug me for using ATM and then have the hide to charge me an account fee of $2.95/month on top of the 25% p.a interest. This is rude and was never in the original contract yet changed along the way.

BTW I do not like how citibank conducts business so I am not on their side. And after I pay off my current line of credit with them they will never see my business again unless it is to my benefit.
 
JohnK said:
jennim02 said:
JohnK i think it's unfair you call me naive.

I called Citibank on many occasions before signing up to confirm they did not have any fees and they advised this was correct.
Sorry, my stupidity as I probably used the wrong words. I do apologise if I have offended in any way.

I should have highlighted the fact that any financial organisation can change their t&c's at any time without our permission. I do not agree with it but that is life. It happens to me all the time with personal loans, home loans and credit cards.

There is no such thing as never having any fees. It is just a dumb stupid gimmick that they use to trick people and should not be allowed to happen.
I just received this in an email message today
2.9% loan offer, plus $50 gift card

Citibank is offering a $50 Essentials Gift Card to Infochoice members who take out a new ReadyCredit account, a flexible line of credit that works like a credit card and personal loan in one. This special offer also includes a low introductory interest rate of 2.9 per cent per annum on purchases, cash advances and balance transfers. The interest rate reverts to 15.75 per cent after six months. ReadyCredit has no application, annual, ATM/EFTPOS, online, chequebook or cash advance fees.

For full terms and details, and to apply, go to www.Citibank.com.au/rcinfochoice
Have they changed the conditions back to the original?Refund please!
 
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What's so different about ReadyCredit?

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Rewards you with a $100 Essentials Gift Card~ after your first retail purchase using your Citicard
NO application, transaction, online and cash advance fees# (even when overseas)




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Now do you want to know what that # means in small print:

# Government charges, a late payment fee, cheque dishonour fee and other fees and charges may apply.


I would say that they use this to impose any fees at their will. Interestingly they have not used the term annual fee anywhere. I think they will be free to selectively charge an annual fee or any special fee.

I still think that this is misleading new customers. They are continuing with their dirty tricks.


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I just got a letter today from the Ombudsmen regarding the Credit Facility Fee. They say that Citibank has done nothing wrong and they (ombudsmen) will not be taking the matter any further as Citibank have done nothing illegal.

What a complete waste of time!
 
ASIC press release from last week:


06-132 Citibank responds to concerns about ReadyCredit card

Monday 1 May 2006


Citibank has agreed to make some changes to its ReadyCredit card following concerns raised by ASIC.

Citibank has responded to ASIC’s concerns about the introduction of a $160 fee charged to some ReadyCredit customers who failed to use their card for purchases. Citibank has agreed to allow affected customers until 30 June 2006 to avoid the ‘failure to spend’ fee or close their accounts.

ASIC was concerned that previous promotional material for the ReadyCredit card contained information that may have encouraged consumers to believe that no or only minimal fees would be incurred, regardless of what was charged to the card. While ASIC’s investigation concluded that Citibank did not legally mislead customers, this did not mean that customers did not have valid grounds for complaint.

ASIC’s Executive Director, Consumer Protection, Mr Greg Tanzer today welcomed Citibank’s response. ‘It is unfortunate that Citibank chose to shift the goalposts in order to discourage consumers from taking full advantage of the promotional offer to obtain a lower interest rate. It’s not surprising that the introduction of the $160 fee generated a significant number of complaints.’

‘Nevertheless, it is encouraging to see Citibank respond constructively to the concerns of ASIC and of its customers’, Mr Tanzer said.

Citibank has now written to 950 affected customers, allowing them an extended period until 30 June 2006 to avoid the fee by spending $1,000 or closing their account. Citibank has also confirmed that where the fee is incurred, it will attract interest at the rate applicable to the balance transferred, and not the higher rate that applies to purchases.

‘Lenders should be careful about promoting products as no or low interest, or as having no fees, if consumers are not able to use the product in a way that takes full advantage of those features’, Mr Tanzer said.

‘ASIC will be vigilant in responding to complaints and will continue to encourage all lenders to consider the entirety of their obligations to their customers.’

Mr Tanzer also encouraged consumers to look carefully at the detail of credit card balance transfer offers. ‘A low or no interest rate offer for balances transferred is only made in anticipation of the card being used for new purchases’, Mr Tanzer said. ‘Consumers need to look beyond the balance transfer rate, and consider factors such as the rate applying to subsequent purchases, and the way in which payments are applied. In most cases, payments are applied first to transferred balances and not to subsequent purchases, meaning that those purchases quickly attract interest at a higher rate.’

Background
Many consumers opened a Citibank ReadyCredit account in response to offers of low interest on balances transferred. Since late 2005, the fee has been applied to a number of accounts that were not used for purchases and that were open for more than 12 months.

The fee could be waived if those consumers spent $1,000 within a defined period, intended to encourage consumers to use their accounts to make purchases.

In addition to providing consumers with the opportunity to avoid the fee, Citibank gave more notification of the change than the minimum 20 days required by the Consumer Credit Code.

The introduction of the new fee prompted a number of consumer complaints to ASIC, as well as to other agencies including the Banking and Financial Services Ombudsman and the Banking Code Monitoring Committee

NC
 
Today Tonight Story 11th May 2006

Did you see the Today Tonight story about the cash back offer. Glad there has finally been some media coverage about Citibank not honouring their offers.
Here's the link to the firm that is representing the lady on the story. I am going to contact them. Perhaps if we all contact them we can participate in a class action.

http://bankdispute.com.au/
 
sure did.... i am waiting to see if cb ponys up the ~$40G they owe to the woman..

pretty impressive to have rotated $900G tho!
 
sorry to bump a rather old thread -- but I am very curious -- has there been any progress on this ? Did anyone manage to squeeze out the reward?
 
novacatz said:
sorry to bump a rather old thread -- but I am very curious -- has there been any progress on this ? Did anyone manage to squeeze out the reward?
Possiblly; ever hear of "Confidentiality" clauses in agreements?
 
serfty said:
Possiblly; ever hear of "Confidentiality" clauses in agreements?

Maybe Serfty knows more than I do :?: , but at this point things are still with the Banking Ombudsman, at the investigation stage. No movement there after over two months, due to the Ombudsman's "heavy caseload", apparently.

The Ombudsman should be preparing a "Finding" on the dispute.

NC
 
New_Chump said:
No movement there after over two months, due to the Ombudsman's "heavy caseload", apparently.

The Ombudsman should be preparing a "Finding" on the dispute.

NC

I'm still waiting too - over 4 months since I lodged my dispute with the Ombudsman. I rang them a couple of weeks ago and spoke to the case officer who is handling all our cases and she indicated that she expected to make a finding within the next 2 months. I hope Citibank are forced to honour their terms and conditions.
 
e_wolfe said:
I hope Citibank are forced to honour their terms and conditions.

From memory, the obudsmen decision is not binding on the consumer -- so you can still go the lawyer/class action suit (and if there really is someone with 40k on the line I am sure they would consider it....)
 
4+ months and still waiting. :shock:

(No doubt the Banking Ombudsman is under-staffed, under-resourced and over-worked, but 4+ months is disappointing response time.)

NC

ps Question: can the name to this thread be changed from "Give yourself a present this xmas" to "Give Citibank a present this Chistmas"?
 
e_wolfe said:
I recieved information that the lady on Today Tonight that was owed $40,000 has finally been sucessful in getting the money she was owed.
I suggest you contact Bank Complaint - Bank Dispute - Dispute Resolution in Australia if you are not happy with the ruling the Ombudsman makes. I recieved a letter from the Ombudsman asking for more information.
Has anyone else heard anything?

So does that mean you guys win? Congratulations then! Nice to see a good result when you guys stick to your guns.

Hopefullly citibank will be a bit more carefully on promotion drafting/wording next time eh....
 
e_wolfe said:
I recieved information that the lady on Today Tonight that was owed $40,000 has finally been sucessful in getting the money she was owed.
I suggest you contact Bank Complaint - Bank Dispute - Dispute Resolution in Australia if you are not happy with the ruling the Ombudsman makes. I recieved a letter from the Ombudsman asking for more information.
Has anyone else heard anything?

Greetings to all

I have just heard from the Ombudsman office. My case is being attended by a systemic issues person. This could mean that the Ombudsman office has recognised that the case I presented is not a once-off and the outcome may likely to impact a larger group including those who have not lodged any claim formally.

I am not sure whether this development has anything to do with the $40k claim win.

It appears now that my case will be investigated on contract law basis. The investigating officer clearly indicates that she is determining whether my participation in the offer program amount to an acceptance of a contract. Then, determine the damages if there is a contract to enforce. If I read this correctly, the question of 'intent to form a legal relationship', 'legitimacy of offer', 'certainty' and 'consideration' has been determined.

In short, I am optimistic.
 
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