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China - what is actually the reality there?

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This came in an email and I can't find the source to link it.
It's very long so hope the aff software can cope

ITALY’S COMMUNIST RECIPE FOR DISASTER
Published March 24, 2020 | By Giacomino Nicolazzo
  • Giacomino Nicolazzo is one of Italy’s most beloved writers. Born and raised in Central Pennsylvania, he lives in a small village in Lombardy where he writes his books.
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Montecalvo, Lombardy, Italy. As I sit here in my involuntary isolation, it was just reported that overnight 743 more people died and 5.249 new cases have been reported. This brings the total cases of infection to 69,176 and the body count to 6,820. We take relief in knowing that 8,326 people have recovered so far. (Numbers as of 3/24, 8:30pm in Italy.)
Most towns here in Italy, from the upper reaches of the Alps to the ancient shores of Sicilia and Sardenia, while not deserted, are closer to being ghost towns than the bustling centers of tourism, business and daily life they were just a few weeks ago.
Stores and shops have been shuttered. Restaurants and coffee shops no longer serve customers. Schools, universities, sporting arenas…even our museums and theaters…all closed. Even the Vatican City has closed its gates and armed patrols monitor the 20 foot tall walls that protect it!
Streets and roads are now empty for as far as the eye can see. Normally they would be filled with crazed Italian drivers in tiny cars and scooters (the ones that sound like demonic insects) darting here and there, reaching the limits of centrifugal force on our roundabouts. In the piazze of our towns and cities, there are now officially more pigeons than people.
Many of us know someone who has been infected and recovered. Some of us know someone who did not recover…now they are dead. But everyone knows someone who has been affected by this microscopic monster in one way or another.
Sixty million of us are in lockdown…it is like a war zone here. We are being held prisoner in our own homes by an unseen enemy that sneaked in unnoticed…by most of us. As you will read in just a few more minutes, there were those who knew something like this was coming…or at least they should have.
So who is to blame? With all this craziness swirling like a whirlpool at our feet, I just had to find the blame answer. And so I have spent my free time (of which I have a lot in these days) digging and researching. I was literally shocked to discover how this has come to be.
I am not going to bore you with talk of Patient ‘0’ who spread it to Patient ‘1’ and how mathematics efficiently explains the rapid expansion of infection. No…I am going to tell you how (as I see it) the virus came to Italy.
It has everything to do with communists. Allow me to explain.
Beginning in about 2014, Matteo Renzi, the imbecile ex-mayor of Firenze (Florence) acting as the leader of the Partito Democratico (synonymous with the Italian Communist party), somehow managed to get himself elected as Italy’s Prime Minister. To give you a proper frame of reference, Matteo Renzi was so far left, he would make Barack Obama look like Barry Goldwater!
At the same time that Renzi was leading Italy into oblivion, strange things were happening in Italy’s economy. Banks were failing…but not closing. Retirement ages were being extended…for some reason the pension funds were dwindling or disappearing. The national sales tax we call IVA (Value Added Tax) rose from 18% to 20%, then to 21% and again to 22%.
And in the midst of all this financial chicanery, the Chinese began furiously buying up Italian real estate and businesses in the North.
Now the reason I mention Renzi and the Chinese together is that strange things were also going on between the governments of Italy and China. A blind eye was being turned to the way the Chinese were buying businesses in the financial, telecommunication, industrial and fashion sectors of Italy’s economy, all of which take place in Milano.
To be brief…China was getting away with purchases and acquisitions in violation of Italian law and EU Trade Agreements with the US and the UK…and no one in either of those countries (not Obama in the US or Cameron in the UK) said a thing in their country’s defense. As a matter of fact, much of it was hidden from the public in all three countries.
In 2014, China infused the Italian economy with €5 billion through purchases of companies costing less than €100 million each. By the time Renzi left office (in disgrace) in 2016, Chinese acquisitions had exceeded €52 billion. When the dust settled, China owned more than 300 companies…representing 27% of the major Italian corporations.
The Bank of China now owns five major banks in Italy…all of which had been secretly (and illegally) propped up by Renzi using pilfered pension funds! Soon after, the China Milano Equity Exchange was opened and much of Italy’s wealth was being funneled back to the Chinese mainland.
Chinese state entities own Italy’s major telecommunication corporation (Telecom) as well as its major utilities (ENI and ENEL). Upon entry into the telecommunication market, Huawei established a facility in Segrate, a suburb of Milano. It launched is first research center there and worked on the study of microwaves which has resulted in the possibly-dangerous technology we call 5G.
China also now owns controlling interest in Fiat-Chrysler, Prysmian and Terna. You will be surprised to know that when you put a set of Pirelli tires on your car, the profits are going to China. Yep…the Chinese colossus of ChemChina, a chemical industry titan, bought that company too!
Last but not least is Ferretti yachts…the most prestigious yacht builder in Europe. Incredibly, it is no longer owned by the Ferretti family.
But the sector in which Chinese companies invested most was Italy’s profitable fashion industry. The Pinco Pallino, Miss Sixty, Sergio Tacchini, Roberta di Camerino and Mariella Burani brands have been acquired by 100%.
Designer Salvatore Ferragamo sold 16% and Caruso sold 35%. The most famous case is Krizia, purchased in 2014 by Shenzhen Marisfrolg Fashion Company, one of the leaders of high-priced, ready-to-wear fashions in Asia.
Throughout all of these purchases and acquisitions, Renzi’s government afforded the Chinese unrestricted and unfettered access to Italy and its financial markets, many coming through without customs inspections.
Quite literally, tens of thousands of Chinese came in through Milano (illegally) and went back out carrying money, technology and corporate secrets.
Thousands more were allowed to enter and disappeared into shadows of Milano and other manufacturing cities of Lombardy, only to surface in illegal sewing shops, producing knock-off designer clothes and slapping ‘Made In Italy’ labels on them. All with the tacit approval of the Renzi government.
It was not until there was a change in the governing party in Italy that the sweatshops and the illegal entry and departure of Chinese nationals was stopped. Matteo Salvini, representing the Lega Nord party, closed Italy’s ports to immigrants and systematically began disassembling the sweatshops and deporting those in Italy illegally.
But his rise to power was short-lived. Italy is a communist country…socialism is in the national DNA. Ways were found to remove Salvini, after which the communist party, under the direction of Giuseppe Conte, reopened the ports. Immediately, thousands of unvetted, undocumented refugees from the Middle East and East Africa began pouring in again.
Access was again provided to the Chinese, under the old terms, and as a consequence thousands of Chinese, the majority from Wuhan, began arriving in Milano.
In December of last year, the first inklings of a coronavirus were noticed in Lombardy…in the Chinese neighborhoods. There is no doubt amongst senior medical officials that the virus was brought here from China.
By the end of January 2020 cases were being reported left and right. By mid-February the virus was beginning to seriously overload the Lombardy hospitals and medical clinics. They are now in a state of collapse.
The Far-Left politicians sold out and betrayed the Italian people with open border policies and social justice programs. One of the reasons the health care system collapsed so quickly is because the Renzi government (and now continued under the Conte government) redirected funds meant to sustain the medical system, to pay for the tens of thousands of immigrants brought in to Italy against the will of the Italian people.
If you remember the horrible earthquake that decimated the villages around Amatricia, in the mountains east of Rome in 2015, you would also remember how the world responded by sending millions of dollars to help those affected.
But there is a law in Italy that prevents private donations to charitable Italian organizations. All money and donations received must be turned over to a government agency, who in turn is to appropriate the funds as needed. But that agency is corrupt just as are all the others.
Most of the money never reached a single victim in the mountains. The Renzi government redirected the vast majority of those funds to pay for the growing immigrant and refugee costs.
As the economy worsened under the burden of illegal immigration, compounded by gross government spending and incompetence, unemployment rose quickly…especially among young people. The unemployment rate for men and women under age 35 is close to 40%.
So more money was diverted from the health care system and used to pay what is known here as guaranteed income. Whether you work or not you are paid here, especially if you belong to the PD! The government simply raises taxes on those who do work.
Let me give you a quick example of the height of insanity to which Italian taxation has risen. If you live in a building that has a balcony or balconies…and any of those balconies cast a shadow on the ground, you must pay a public shadow tax! I will say no more!
The point I am trying to make here is that not only did the Chinese bring the virus to Italy (and the rest of the world) it was far-Left politics and policies that facilitated it.
This should hopefully be a warning to Americans that while they work to rid themselves of the China Virus, they should just as vehemently endeavor to rid their government of any politician that circumvents the Constitution and ignores the laws of the land…plain and simple.
 

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I would not be surprised if 20m Chinese are infected, we talk of one province but how is the rest of China holding up.

The Chinese govt has no credibility when is comes to honest numbers or reporting on many topics. Saving face and making a buck is paramount

However, They are excellent at good news.
And they are also the masters of fake news.
 

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An insight into China thinking in a casual conversation with a Shanghai based colleague today. The Chinese seem to be being prepared for new waves of the virus. Particularly concerned about asymptomatic carriers who were not counted, tested or treated and who, without symptoms, may be out and about.
 

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Living here in Harbin, I would say that the posts from Cruiser Elite earlier on in this tread largely reflect what happened up here too. My main difference is that rather than living in a gated apartment complex, I live in an old style apartment building (think 8 stories with no elevator) that are accessible to the public (although apart from the public toilet and taking a shortcut, there's not any real reason for people to come in).

The solution here was to fence off a series of streets with a couple open as checkpoints. This happened at the end of January/start of February. The total area fenced off like this was about 500 sqm. Thanks to urban density, there are still plenty of small vegetable and fruit shops, "milk bars" and chemists in this area. At the start, we were given a bottle of alcohol and a page of passes (1 person every two days) if we wanted to leave the area, but we never used them. Delivery companies already had supermarket delivery services pre-epidemic and these only became more popular at this time. Delivery riders would call when they arrived at the fence and you would meet there to pick up the order. There was never a rush at the shops here and the whole toilet paper situation in Australia is baffling to me.

Later (and still going), the system turned to a phone based "health code" via WeChat. Essentially, to enter any building or business requires one to scan a QR code which will log you entering the place. Then the system will give you your colour (green, yellow or red) which you show to the clerk. Some places will also take your temperature. There is a paper backup for those who can't register on the app, but you'll need to bring ID. Face masks are mandatory for any indoor area.

Things are being slowly eased back to something resembling normality. High schools reopened here today. Restaurants are also reopening, largely on a take away basis. The fences and checkpoints in my neighbourhood got taken down yesterday. Traffic is increasing on the roads. I even went to Beijing last week. But people are still wary about COVID-19 and news reports and propaganda posters all regularly refer to the "three treasures" of the health code, temperature checks and face masks.
 

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This came in an email and I can't find the source to link it.
It's very long so hope the aff software can cope

ITALY’S COMMUNIST RECIPE FOR DISASTER
Published March 24, 2020 | By Giacomino Nicolazzo
  • Giacomino Nicolazzo is one of Italy’s most beloved writers. Born and raised in Central Pennsylvania, he lives in a small village in Lombardy where he writes his books.
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Montecalvo, Lombardy, Italy. As I sit here in my involuntary isolation, it was just reported that overnight 743 more people died and 5.249 new cases have been reported. This brings the total cases of infection to 69,176 and the body count to 6,820. We take relief in knowing that 8,326 people have recovered so far. (Numbers as of 3/24, 8:30pm in Italy.)
Most towns here in Italy, from the upper reaches of the Alps to the ancient shores of Sicilia and Sardenia, while not deserted, are closer to being ghost towns than the bustling centers of tourism, business and daily life they were just a few weeks ago.
Stores and shops have been shuttered. Restaurants and coffee shops no longer serve customers. Schools, universities, sporting arenas…even our museums and theaters…all closed. Even the Vatican City has closed its gates and armed patrols monitor the 20 foot tall walls that protect it!
Streets and roads are now empty for as far as the eye can see. Normally they would be filled with crazed Italian drivers in tiny cars and scooters (the ones that sound like demonic insects) darting here and there, reaching the limits of centrifugal force on our roundabouts. In the piazze of our towns and cities, there are now officially more pigeons than people.
Many of us know someone who has been infected and recovered. Some of us know someone who did not recover…now they are dead. But everyone knows someone who has been affected by this microscopic monster in one way or another.
Sixty million of us are in lockdown…it is like a war zone here. We are being held prisoner in our own homes by an unseen enemy that sneaked in unnoticed…by most of us. As you will read in just a few more minutes, there were those who knew something like this was coming…or at least they should have.
So who is to blame? With all this craziness swirling like a whirlpool at our feet, I just had to find the blame answer. And so I have spent my free time (of which I have a lot in these days) digging and researching. I was literally shocked to discover how this has come to be.
I am not going to bore you with talk of Patient ‘0’ who spread it to Patient ‘1’ and how mathematics efficiently explains the rapid expansion of infection. No…I am going to tell you how (as I see it) the virus came to Italy.
It has everything to do with communists. Allow me to explain.
Beginning in about 2014, Matteo Renzi, the imbecile ex-mayor of Firenze (Florence) acting as the leader of the Partito Democratico (synonymous with the Italian Communist party), somehow managed to get himself elected as Italy’s Prime Minister. To give you a proper frame of reference, Matteo Renzi was so far left, he would make Barack Obama look like Barry Goldwater!
At the same time that Renzi was leading Italy into oblivion, strange things were happening in Italy’s economy. Banks were failing…but not closing. Retirement ages were being extended…for some reason the pension funds were dwindling or disappearing. The national sales tax we call IVA (Value Added Tax) rose from 18% to 20%, then to 21% and again to 22%.
And in the midst of all this financial chicanery, the Chinese began furiously buying up Italian real estate and businesses in the North.
Now the reason I mention Renzi and the Chinese together is that strange things were also going on between the governments of Italy and China. A blind eye was being turned to the way the Chinese were buying businesses in the financial, telecommunication, industrial and fashion sectors of Italy’s economy, all of which take place in Milano.
To be brief…China was getting away with purchases and acquisitions in violation of Italian law and EU Trade Agreements with the US and the UK…and no one in either of those countries (not Obama in the US or Cameron in the UK) said a thing in their country’s defense. As a matter of fact, much of it was hidden from the public in all three countries.
In 2014, China infused the Italian economy with €5 billion through purchases of companies costing less than €100 million each. By the time Renzi left office (in disgrace) in 2016, Chinese acquisitions had exceeded €52 billion. When the dust settled, China owned more than 300 companies…representing 27% of the major Italian corporations.
The Bank of China now owns five major banks in Italy…all of which had been secretly (and illegally) propped up by Renzi using pilfered pension funds! Soon after, the China Milano Equity Exchange was opened and much of Italy’s wealth was being funneled back to the Chinese mainland.
Chinese state entities own Italy’s major telecommunication corporation (Telecom) as well as its major utilities (ENI and ENEL). Upon entry into the telecommunication market, Huawei established a facility in Segrate, a suburb of Milano. It launched is first research center there and worked on the study of microwaves which has resulted in the possibly-dangerous technology we call 5G.
China also now owns controlling interest in Fiat-Chrysler, Prysmian and Terna. You will be surprised to know that when you put a set of Pirelli tires on your car, the profits are going to China. Yep…the Chinese colossus of ChemChina, a chemical industry titan, bought that company too!
Last but not least is Ferretti yachts…the most prestigious yacht builder in Europe. Incredibly, it is no longer owned by the Ferretti family.
But the sector in which Chinese companies invested most was Italy’s profitable fashion industry. The Pinco Pallino, Miss Sixty, Sergio Tacchini, Roberta di Camerino and Mariella Burani brands have been acquired by 100%.
Designer Salvatore Ferragamo sold 16% and Caruso sold 35%. The most famous case is Krizia, purchased in 2014 by Shenzhen Marisfrolg Fashion Company, one of the leaders of high-priced, ready-to-wear fashions in Asia.
Throughout all of these purchases and acquisitions, Renzi’s government afforded the Chinese unrestricted and unfettered access to Italy and its financial markets, many coming through without customs inspections.
Quite literally, tens of thousands of Chinese came in through Milano (illegally) and went back out carrying money, technology and corporate secrets.
Thousands more were allowed to enter and disappeared into shadows of Milano and other manufacturing cities of Lombardy, only to surface in illegal sewing shops, producing knock-off designer clothes and slapping ‘Made In Italy’ labels on them. All with the tacit approval of the Renzi government.
It was not until there was a change in the governing party in Italy that the sweatshops and the illegal entry and departure of Chinese nationals was stopped. Matteo Salvini, representing the Lega Nord party, closed Italy’s ports to immigrants and systematically began disassembling the sweatshops and deporting those in Italy illegally.
But his rise to power was short-lived. Italy is a communist country…socialism is in the national DNA. Ways were found to remove Salvini, after which the communist party, under the direction of Giuseppe Conte, reopened the ports. Immediately, thousands of unvetted, undocumented refugees from the Middle East and East Africa began pouring in again.
Access was again provided to the Chinese, under the old terms, and as a consequence thousands of Chinese, the majority from Wuhan, began arriving in Milano.
In December of last year, the first inklings of a coronavirus were noticed in Lombardy…in the Chinese neighborhoods. There is no doubt amongst senior medical officials that the virus was brought here from China.
By the end of January 2020 cases were being reported left and right. By mid-February the virus was beginning to seriously overload the Lombardy hospitals and medical clinics. They are now in a state of collapse.
The Far-Left politicians sold out and betrayed the Italian people with open border policies and social justice programs. One of the reasons the health care system collapsed so quickly is because the Renzi government (and now continued under the Conte government) redirected funds meant to sustain the medical system, to pay for the tens of thousands of immigrants brought in to Italy against the will of the Italian people.
If you remember the horrible earthquake that decimated the villages around Amatricia, in the mountains east of Rome in 2015, you would also remember how the world responded by sending millions of dollars to help those affected.
But there is a law in Italy that prevents private donations to charitable Italian organizations. All money and donations received must be turned over to a government agency, who in turn is to appropriate the funds as needed. But that agency is corrupt just as are all the others.
Most of the money never reached a single victim in the mountains. The Renzi government redirected the vast majority of those funds to pay for the growing immigrant and refugee costs.
As the economy worsened under the burden of illegal immigration, compounded by gross government spending and incompetence, unemployment rose quickly…especially among young people. The unemployment rate for men and women under age 35 is close to 40%.
So more money was diverted from the health care system and used to pay what is known here as guaranteed income. Whether you work or not you are paid here, especially if you belong to the PD! The government simply raises taxes on those who do work.
Let me give you a quick example of the height of insanity to which Italian taxation has risen. If you live in a building that has a balcony or balconies…and any of those balconies cast a shadow on the ground, you must pay a public shadow tax! I will say no more!
The point I am trying to make here is that not only did the Chinese bring the virus to Italy (and the rest of the world) it was far-Left politics and policies that facilitated it.
This should hopefully be a warning to Americans that while they work to rid themselves of the China Virus, they should just as vehemently endeavor to rid their government of any politician that circumvents the Constitution and ignores the laws of the land…plain and simple.
WOW! That takes a little digesting, it has now given me lots to look at. Fact check is a must before going further. Thank you for this article.
 
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WOW! That takes a little digesting, it has now given me lots to look at. Fact check is a must before going further. Thank you for this article.
yeah... fact checking might be a good idea :)

According to the rant a dude selling a bat in a market in Wuhan is somehow linked to the Chinese buying Ferragamo, which is somehow linked to to an earthquake, which is somehow linked to illegal immigration, which is somehow responsible for killing thousands of Italians.
 

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WOW! That takes a little digesting, it has now given me lots to look at. Fact check is a must before going further. Thank you for this article.
Yes fact checking would have been better done first than posting right wing cognitive dissonance.

There’s lost of this kind of stuff floating about.
 

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yeah... fact checking might be a good idea :)

According to the rant a dude selling a bat in a market in Wuhan is somehow linked to the Chinese buying Ferragamo, which is somehow linked to to an earthquake, which is somehow linked to illegal immigration, which is somehow responsible for killing thousands of Italians.
Not quite - he made no mention of bats or Wuhan markets.
The earthquake wasn't directly linked, but was noted in setting the context of local corruption.
As for Ferragamo and illegal immigrants:
 

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Forgive me if the following late-night post sounds racist - it is not. I do not see "races" - I just see societies. There is a big difference...

But I am exploding at the seams with some aspects of this whole Corona thing. I have, for ever, been someone who does not see challenges such as Climate Change as the biggest worries for humanity. Because I consider other things such as sheer population expansion and pressure much more important human concerns.

Several countries "lead" this population growth - China and India being the two huge ones. I have no hatred of the Chinese as a population - on the contrary I am sure that they are extremely nice people. But so are Germans, and we all know what happened there just half a century ago... It is the political systems, the power wielders, that are my concern.

China as a state exists with just two concerns. The first is the maintenance of power of the ruling complex. the second is the desire to look after Chinese concerns. This second thing is why they, very understandably, seek to secure international resources etc. Very valid from their perspective.

I get all that, all very usual and perhaps admirable. If we "drop our pants" to Chinese investment we are as guilty as them for any reality that stems from that. And we all continuously buy cheap Chinese crap - ever driven by the urge to buy the cheapest whatever. You reap what you sow....

But it is not some sort of insane lottery that gave the Chinese the hat of enabling this Corona virus thing. It is sheer numbers and habits. there will be more global pandemics, but I will go out on a limb and predict these will not originate in Sweden or Australia or even the Sudan. The pandemics will come from those intensely populated countries.

As I said at the start, this is not racism - it is sheer mathematical reality. Human pandemics arise where people are most able to sustain these things - ie hugely overpopulated nations.. Hence there should be some sort of responsibility by those nations that are the incubators for such things.

Corona will cost the entire human population. We will all pay for a generation. I don't want to "punish" the Chinese, but I also want them to take ownership of the costs......
 
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Not quite - he made no mention of bats or Wuhan markets.
If the article is even by the author it’s allegedly attributed to... the author’s website doesn’t appear to have anything similar to the rant posted... it’s all about the Chinese and their influence in Italy leading to the death of its citizens by coronavirus.

So yeah.. it’s all about a bat in a wet market... but instead of it being transmitted from the market to some unfortunate patient zero, we get taken through some tortuous haze-filled rant about foreign investment, earthquakes, minimum wage, illegal immigrants, more foreign investment, and then death.

You could substitute local companies in any country in the world into the article. What’s the saying? don’t attribute to conspiracy which could be more easily explained by incompetence.
 
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Just from FR24 trolling (I live in Newtown so while the silence is nice, I grab my phone when I hear a plane fly overhead at the moment).... there seem to be an absolute shipload of passenger aircraft (QF129 daily, multiple NZ 787s) flying to Shanghai at the moment. Any idea what the go is?
 
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Just from FR24 trolling (I live in Newtown so while the silence is nice, I grab my phone when I hear a plane fly overhead at the moment).... there seem to be an absolute shipload of passenger aircraft (QF129 daily, multiple NZ 787s) flying to Shanghai at the moment. Any idea what the go is?
Most likely air freight including PPE, ventilators, medicines, reagents for CV19 tests etc
 

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This came in an email and I can't find the source to link it.
It's very long so hope the aff software can cope

ITALY’S COMMUNIST RECIPE FOR DISASTER
Published March 24, 2020 | By Giacomino Nicolazzo
Well that is probably the most pointless thing I've ever read on AFF. Renato's Italian cousin, perhaps?

Should've come with a tin foil hat warning.
 

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I was reading an online article from the AGE news service by Peter Hartcher and came across this:
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And China, of course, is a self-parody of authoritarian impulses – vengeful censorship followed by crushing repression followed by gushing self-congratulation. But it worked, didn't it? Wuhan has been opened up, just this week, after successfully eradicating the virus, we're told.

I'd just point out that China's seat of government doesn't believe it – the city of Beijing is allowing entry of a maximum of 1000 people from Wuhan per day, and only after they've been tested for the virus within the seven days preceding entry. If the Chinese capital doesn't believe its own propaganda, why should anyone else? ...
I have to presume the implication is true given it's source.

 
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I feel that in the most part the word China in Hartcher's article (who is always worth reading), is interchangeable with 'America'.

I was reading an online article from the AGE news service by Peter Hartcher and came across this:I have to presume the implication is true given it's source.

 
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