Cheapest way into the SYD T1 F lounge as a guest?

[Bundy Bear]

Maybe we need a new option for a green status run,where you can choose to pretend to fly, but want to save the planet, so won't actually fly

Best comment of the thread so far.

I have done that for the regular lounge; not flown had no intention to fly but still got into the lounge, but I don't think a green status run would work for entry into the First lounge.

 

[simongr]

Sheesh - I go away for a few weeks and the same topic that has been hashed over quite recently resurfaces only to be stalked by the green issue.

Personally if the OP wants to experience the F lounge that is their choice - I don't think the eggs are that great that they would be worth the monetary cost that would be incurred but as an opportunity to see what people are talking about when they rave about the SYD F lounge it is in my opinion something worth seeing.

I would agree with Serfty that it would be better to see it and fly (and thus potentially compare the SYD and MEL lounges) rather than see it and deal with the hassle of getting to the airport.

One question though - is there a reason that flying to SE Asia in J was singled out as morally reprehensible over flying in whY?

Currently sat in the LHR T5 F Terrace after an overnight layover due to a medical emergency with mrssimongr and I am thankful that those few SCs that I have done have enabled me to sit here for 9 hours rather than sit out in the T5Mall... what a godawful new terminal

 

[serfty]

Simon, I hope all is OK with mrs simongr and you both continue to enjoy your journey.:-|

 

[simongr]

Cheers - it is certainly adding a little more than the usual colour to the trip report

She is currently curled up on a large leather sofa snoring very softly - which means she is breathing at least...

 

[vt]

Are you for real? "troll" is a word of your interwebs, wikipedia is just as valid as the Oxford English Dictionary. Wikipedia is not me making up a meaning for a word, it gives the accepted meaning of "interweb" terms.


Sorry, discussion of the environment is not an emotional thing for some of us.

Edit: now OT = off topic and I'm sorry but I don't know what the last bit of your post means.
Personally, I think calling the OP morally inferior is unrelated to the question posed and designed to provoke an emotional response. Yet 90% of this thread is about how the very idea of the OP is morally reprehensible.

Medhead....

That was my own little attempt at a troll.

As you can see I managed to elicit an emotional response about wiki.

Any topic can be emotional to anyone. I though the other guy was a troll since he kept bringing to environment into the argument. To some people that do their little bit for the nevironment to be called morally shaky environmentally IS eliciting (word?) an emotional response.



chill mate....only trolling

 

[JohnK]

One question though - is there a reason that flying to SE Asia in J was singled out as morally reprehensible over flying in whY?

Because I know someone who was literally flown over to SE Asia in J, and maintained high status on Oneworld and *Alliance, on one day trips to take credit for go lives and hold a few meetings that could have been done over the phone. And yes his company flew him over in business class whilst my company flew me over in economy so that I could work 16 hours a day for a week and for him to come over and take all the glory on go live day.

 

[AnonymousCoward]

Is a regional manager flying from Australia to SE Asia monthly or bi-monthly, in business class, for a meeting lasting less than a day more important than someone on a status run? Why not use tele conferencing for the meetings?

I think it is up to the individual to evaluate how important the trip is going to be to them. I could fly SYD-BKK direct but I choose to fly via SIN/HKG for almost the same price. Am I doing the wrong thing? I don't think so. And I will continue to think this way as long as business people continue to fly around all over the place for meetings, that could still be achieved using tele conferencing

As long as people are prepared for the pollution they cause, then it shouldn't really matter for what purpose they are flying - whether that be status run, because your business thinks you should be there, or because you want to visit your relatives.

But that doesn't mean that carbon emissions aren't an issue - they are. And someone flying pollutes the atmosphere that belongs to all of us - just like a factory that pumps out sulphur dioxide costs us all.

There's a certain level pollution that is sustainable - and people should have to pay for the use of that scarce resource, just like we pay for everything else. And if you can afford it, we don't question why you buy an extra car, eat in an expensive restaurants, or even odder behaviour, like engaging in S&M orgies in out of the way London flats or walking around with a white face mask and one glove. So why would flying be any different.

 

[straitman]

It is probably time for some of the parties in this ARGUMENT to get off their high horses and agree to disagree :!:

 

[Ric]

Maybe a moderator can consider closing this thread!:shock:

 

[beardoc]

I left this for a little while but decided to come back and see what the thread had got up to. I suspected that I was going to raise the ire of a number of people here by proposing what I proposed, and you haven't failed to disappoint.

As I said originally, my interest is in understanding these programs to the nth degree, and looking for loopholes is partially part of understanding the program. That's the appeal - there's an intellectual challenge to discovering is something is possible a certain way. It doesn't mean that it should be done that way, or that it will be done that way, but it's about identifying if it CAN be done that way.

The reason I knew I was going to raise the ire of people here by proposing the "F Lounge for free" plan was that I've noticed that in other threads, many people seem to feel very precious about their QANTAS perks, and they seem to defend them against other people. This is really evident in the QANTAS Domestic Business Lounges Thread and other threads on overcrowding in the QANTAS Club, where many people who have status and get free access to QANTAS Club seem very worried that other people can get access to the QANTAS Club for around $200/year. Similarly, others that pay for their membership see the people that get it for free as "freeloaders" - we've had these discussions on this site before. Consequently, posters here seem to want to blame other QANTAS customers for overcrowding in the lounges, etc. when the reality is that if QANTAS has more members, then QANTAS should be making bigger lounges, improving the food, making the experience better for everyone.

The trick to all of this is that QANTAS have led people to believe that you are special because you get these perks, but that in being able to change these programs at will, people are fearful that their free perks will be over in the blink of an eye, so people tend to draw a line in the sand about the perks and want to protect them - there's a sense of entitlement - that people "earned" the free perks.

This goes for the SYD T1 F Lounge as well - there's no doubt that people like the F Lounge "experience", as there's been much discussion about it on this board and others over time. So people that feel that they are entitled to access the F Lounge and that this makes them feel exclusive tend to feel threatened by talk that someone might get access without flying constantly or on the most expensive seats on the aircraft - some people like might interpret that as "cheapening" the exclusive club that they feel they belong to. It happens with credit cards as well - when Amex released the Platinum Credit Card and made it publicly available, some people on here lamented that Amex Platinum was now not as exclusive.

Or, to put it another way:

Anyway .... I've worked out why Beardoc really annoyed the forum members. The thought of someone achieving for free their life-long aim of FL or CL hobnobbing just got too much for some!

I want to see the F Lounge and have the experience of visiting it with my friend. To me, that's more valuable than just buying Eggs Benedict at a cafe (maybe that was a failed attempt at humour on my part earlier in the thread), and I might consider that it would be worth doing something more to achieve it. Other people have done the same - Bundy Bear getting a group of people together to fly just to see the F lounges in SYD and MEL was a good example.

Anyway, this is all moot, regardless. My friend (the WP previously mentioned in the thread) will be flying SYD-BNE on QF19 (he's doing a mileage run, MEL-SYD-BNE-ADL-MEL), and I amazingly happen to be needing to go to Brisbane on that date. This incredible stroke of luck means that I have booked a seat on QF19 on the current sale at $89, and we'll be spending three hours in the F lounge prior to the trip.

I'm going to be going to the F lounge for the experience (just the once to see what it's like, I don't feel the need to do it multiple times), and everyone's QANTAS WP benefits will remain intact. It will all be just fine. There will be no moral depravity demonstrated.

Thank you, guys - I enjoy this site very much - the discussion is fascinating - and I think this is the second longest thread I've started!

 

[Mal]

Anyway, this is all moot, regardless. My friend (the WP previously mentioned in the thread) will be flying SYD-BNE on QF19 (he's doing a mileage run, MEL-SYD-BNE-ADL-MEL), and I amazingly happen to be needing to go to Brisbane on that date. This incredible stroke of luck means that I have booked a seat on QF19 on the current sale at $89, and we'll be spending three hours in the F lounge prior to the trip.

Which is the easiest (and in my opinion correct) way to do it. No worries about Customs, no issues with having to get a refund etc.

Enjoy the experience!

 

[oz_mark]

Because I know someone who was literally flown over to SE Asia in J, and maintained high status on Oneworld and *Alliance, on one day trips to take credit for go lives and hold a few meetings that could have been done over the phone. And yes his company flew him over in business class whilst my company flew me over in economy so that I could work 16 hours a day for a week and for him to come over and take all the glory on go live day.

I'm guessing he was the project manager

 

[JohnK]

I'm guessing he was the project manager

No, project manager got his hands dirty and offered support during testing and implementation phases. This person was the IT manager/director....

 

[Travel Guru]

We've got corporate clients in my agency who will fly to Europe, Africa, US and have less than 2 days on the ground before coming home...i'm not about to question their need, they perceive one, we make money, they obviously do, everyones happy (except greenpeace)

TG

 

[docjames]

We've got corporate clients in my agency who will fly to Europe, Africa, US and have less than 2 days on the ground before coming home...i'm not about to question their need, they perceive one, we make money, they obviously do, everyones happy (except greenpeace)

TG

I know someone who has flown MEL-LHR arr 0600, do day's work, get 2200 flight back.

Worth it? Probably, as they needed to be face-to-face at a meeting to "read the room".

Makes for an expensive meeting though (F both ways!)

 

[Travel Guru]

Makes for an expensive meeting though (F both ways!)

I guess if you're closing a deal with hundreds of thousands then 15k isn't too expensive.

TG