Changing amex from qantas to MR

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Hey guys. I currently have a qantas ultimate card but as im thinking of changing from qantas points to MR points.

Has anyone been able to get the bonus points from Amex when changing cards?
 
I'm pretty sure that when Amex says bonus points are "only available to new American Express® Card Members" in their terms and conditions, this means you have to have cancelled any previous American Express cards at least 18 months prior... This forum would erupt if anyone was able to get around that!
 
Hey guys. I currently have a qantas ultimate card but as im thinking of changing from qantas points to MR points.

Has anyone been able to get the bonus points from Amex when changing cards?
you can get bonus points for upgrading cards within the same family but not outside. As above, you won't be eligible unless you have not held an Amex card for 18 months.
 
you can get bonus points for upgrading cards within the same family but not outside.
Is that a ‘thing’ in AU? I’m guessing that's if Amex invite you to upgrade say from a ‘lesser’ MR card like Explorer to Platinum though one’s a credit card & the other is a charge card. I didn’t know they had any other MR cards left in AU.
 
Is that a ‘thing’ in AU? I’m guessing that's if Amex invite you to upgrade say from a ‘lesser’ MR card like Explorer to Platinum though one’s a credit card & the other is a charge card. I didn’t know they had any other MR cards left in AU.

You can often downgrade a Platinum to a Green or Gold.
 
Is that a ‘thing’ in AU? I’m guessing that's if Amex invite you to upgrade say from a ‘lesser’ MR card like Explorer to Platinum though one’s a credit card & the other is a charge card. I didn’t know they had any other MR cards left in AU.
It certainly is a thing within card families - spouse upgraded through the Qantas card family this way. I don't think you can changing card families though, I expect Amex will just tell you to apply for whatever card you want.
 
ok if there is the option to downgrade to non publicly available cards like green or gold charge card and then wait for an upgrade to platinum offer then that will be the stance which can be taken. I'm guessing there won't be any of those offers until Amex announces what the redesigned MR will look like post the October changes to interchange, etc. I guess we should know by the end of the month if they want to give us 30 days' notice (not sure if they need to give us this amount of notice but assuming this is what we should be granted).

if anyone knows, please share with us :)
 
Sorry, to be clear you can downgrade in your card family including to non publicly available cards. So if you have a Plat already you can downgrade to a Gold or Green charge card. I don't think there's any evidence that you can switch from a Qantas Ultimate to a Gold card.

For info, Amex is not subject to the 1 October interchange regulations change. So I wouldn't expect them to make significant changes on that basis.
 
For info, Amex is not subject to the 1 October interchange regulations change. So I wouldn't expect them to make significant changes on that basis.
I agree, AMEX is not subject to the October 1 changes, the RBA will have its medicine in the next few months. Having said that, Amex doesn't operate in a vacuum so will have to reduce its Merchant fees in line with what MC & Visa are forced to do in October to avoid being shunned by merchants and all of us carrying around our shiny Amex cards but increasingly less places to use them. We will see an adjustment on Amex and I think it will be taking place from October, That's my view YMMV.
 
Received a letter from Amex to say the annual rewards fee is going up from $49 to $99 from December. I'm wondering if it's worth keeping the card and paying the fee. I thought that removal of surcharges would also apply to Amex but if not, then potentially paying a 1.5% or higher surcharge to receive 0.7 or 0.8 Qantas points is probably not worth it?
 
I'm also considering changing to Explorer (from a QF/Amex), but want to make sure that Ax MR points transfer to QFF on a 1:1 basis. I can't see anywhere that confirms that, any help appreciated. Ta
 
I'm also considering changing to Explorer (from a QF/Amex), but want to make sure that Ax MR points transfer to QFF on a 1:1 basis. I can't see anywhere that confirms that, any help appreciated. Ta
I believe the only non-branded QF Amex which used to allow MR transfers to Qantas was the Amex Platinum, and I'm not sure that still is possible, unless you want to take a significant devaluation through Everyday Rewards: American Express - Membership Rewards Transfer

Edit - apparently the Amex Platinum still allows 2MR : 1 QFF point transfers, only card that is not 'direct earn' that allows this American Express® Platinum Card
 
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I believe the only non-branded QF Amex which used to allow MR transfers to Qantas was the Amex Platinum, and I'm not sure that still is possible, unless you want to take a significant devaluation through Everyday Rewards: American Express - Membership Rewards Transfer

Edit - apparently the Amex Platinum still allows 2MR : 1 QFF point transfers, only card that is not 'direct earn' that allows this American Express® Platinum Card
Great thanks. Looks like the Ax/QF Ultimate card is still the best to keep QFF points. Ta
 
Received a letter from Amex to say the annual rewards fee is going up from $49 to $99 from December. I'm wondering if it's worth keeping the card and paying the fee. I thought that removal of surcharges would also apply to Amex but if not, then potentially paying a 1.5% or higher surcharge to receive 0.7 or 0.8 Qantas points is probably not worth it?
The legislation doesn't apply to Amex (yet) but Amex said they would reduce their fee to match. That being said, businesses are still allowed to pass on the Amex fee, but whether or not they do remains to be seen.

I'm 100% expecting an amex point deval in the future. I bet they want to let the dust settle and maybe acquire a few customers after all the other banks reduce, then once the market has settled devalue their points to still be competitive, but not as high as today. Probably go to 1 point per $1 for QF ultimate. I don't see why they would maintain the high earn rate if they are lowering their fee. Obviously I 100% don't want this situation being a holder of this card, just where I see things going.
 
The legislation doesn't apply to Amex (yet) but Amex said they would reduce their fee to match. That being said, businesses are still allowed to pass on the Amex fee, but whether or not they do remains to be seen.

I'm 100% expecting an amex point deval in the future. I bet they want to let the dust settle and maybe acquire a few customers after all the other banks reduce, then once the market has settled devalue their points to still be competitive, but not as high as today. Probably go to 1 point per $1 for QF ultimate. I don't see why they would maintain the high earn rate if they are lowering their fee. Obviously I 100% don't want this situation being a holder of this card, just where I see things going.
Amex merchants will be unable to pass along the Amex fee, because Amex has instituted a 'no surchage' ban from 1 October. As an Amex merchant, I received a specific email from them about this.

The nuance of the RBA manoeuvres is that surcharging is not actually outlawed. What changes is that the law in place preventing networks like Mastercard and Visa from having a 'no surcharge' merchant policy is being retired from 1 October. Accordingly, MC/VI are taking the 'no surcharge' route and any merchants that don't comply are violating their merchant contract, but not breaking the law. Under the same basis, American Express, which was already exempt from RBA's 'no surcharge' prohibition, will adopt the same policy of requiring that merchants not surcharge. Those that do will again be violating their merchant agreement, in the same way as having a Mastercard or Visa surcharge.

What made me laugh is that in the comms from Amex, they advised there would be no reduction in merchant fee (not lowering their fee, as you suggest) - just that there would be no surcharges allowed. TBH, I already have an exceptional merchant rate from them, on the basis that I agreed not to treat the card any differently to Mastercard or Visa (I could still surcharge, but at no more than the rate for those cards), so I suppose their surcharge ban follows the same principle, in that Amex be treated like the other cards.

I can't see them cutting points again any time soon. They already went first and made their products only marginally better than the MC/VI alternatives, and cut back on many of the things that gave Amex added appeal (Amazon credit ended last year, dining credits end this year, Priority Pass for partners gone in a couple of weeks, lounge access cut back, etc). ANZ will still have a Visa earning 1 QFF point per $1, and 1 VFF point per $1 via ANZ Rewards... CBA apparently has a Discover card in the works to shake things up... any cut by Amex now would put them in a position where they are no better (or actually, worse) than some alternative MC/Visa products... and if they were to cut points again, as a minor card issuer compared to a big bank with excellent card acceptance, the only people who'd still use Amex would be those with huge monthly spends that go beyond the ceiling of products like ANZ. That would be a complete shift from Amex from the mainstream world into being a niche card issuer tailored to the affluent - and in that world, there's less demand for their cards, less demand for acceptance, and we're back where we were 20 years ago, where Amex was only reliably usable at the biggest chains and in purchases relating to travel, with everything else spotty. Amex has much more to gain by keeping its products at a level of appeal that encourages mainstream spenders to jump ship from the banks and use its products - it just doesn't need to be in a position where its offering is leaps and bounds better than the competition. As it is now, just a little bit better is enough to attract the punters and keep existing cardholders hooked.
 

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