Can you inherit FF points/miles?

[cove]

One of the risks of having points warehouses is the access to those points to do the transfer can be a bit convoluted. It would always be a good idea to have your partner/beneficiary know how to access those accounts. QF allow regular family transfers but not if the account holder has passed away.
It gets a bit harder for those who have 2 commas in their FF accounts.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I haven't given my membership details to anyone. Probably poor planning but I have 1.2 QFF Points. If I happen to die why should Qantas benefit from my death?

I am sorry medhead but just because it is written in the terms and conditions is not even remotely an adequate answer.

Proper notification of significant changes are in the terms and conditions as well but the airlines continue to break that condition anytime it suits them.

I think QF pretty much plays the notification by the book. Even on the EK lounge access restriction it could fall under the 'provided by a third party' exclusion.

The issue is whether a legal challenge could overrule the terms and conditions on the cancellation of points on the death of the member. I don't know how successful that would be.

otherwise, it is clearly stated.

I don't believe QF (or any other airline) should benefit from a windfall on the death of a member (particularly relevant following MH17).

QF needs to explain why it is taking the harsh course it is.

 

[The Rok]

I think QF pretty much plays the notification by the book. Even on the EK lounge access restriction it could fall under the 'provided by a third party' exclusion.

The issue is whether a legal challenge could overrule the terms and conditions on the cancellation of points on the death of the member. I don't know how successful that would be.

otherwise, it is clearly stated.

I don't believe QF (or any other airline) should benefit from a windfall on the death of a member (particularly relevant following MH17).

QF needs to explain why it is taking the harsh course it is.

I'd hate to see the publicity QF would get if god forbid they lost a jet and subsequently started taking back the ff points of the deceased passengers.

 

[Foreigner]

Just a wild, wild thought...if only insurance companies provide cover for loss of points on the event (of death).


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[nick.wall]

I'd hate to see the publicity QF would get if god forbid they lost a jet and subsequently started taking back the ff points of the deceased passengers.

A good point. They'd have to lie somewhere between 'brave' and 'stupid' to risk the PR avalanche that could come there way because a now deceased and formerly loyal customer informed their family to take their points and use them for something useful.

Given QFF seems to have the stricter conditions in AU having read through the thread, instead of talking hypothetical why not start complaining about the silly T&C's on QF's social media channels and demand change (mind you complaining seems the order of the day there). Over time with enough commentary from enough people they decide to pay any attention if there is anyone that cares about customer loyalty.

Failing that, given points are a defacto currency of sorts why not start getting in the ear of federal members and outlining that such T&C's are tantamount to daylight robbery and demanding some regulation over these points schemes by an appropriate federal body, in relation to ownership of points at death. Don't the ATO already take them into account for FBT purposes in certain situations? After all, a bank can't just close your account and take your money when you die.

 

[Buzzard]

It was earlier today that I said to Mrs B, if I die don't tell Q, occasionally use my EDR card, tfr 400,000 points per year plus book some flights for yourself (if you can)

 

[get me outta here]

Somehow Q just found out. My mate had all his wife's points disappear within a few days of her death. There must be something that they subscriber to. He thought they had someone reading all the death notices, but then he is somewhat computer illiterate.

Moral is, tell the relos to take them just before yr cark.

It was earlier today that I said to Mrs B, if I die don't tell Q, occasionally use my EDR card, tfr 400,000 points per year plus book some flights for yourself (if you can)

 

[MEL_Traveller]

i would really like to know what QF has done with the points from QF pax on MH17 and MH370. I really really hope they have not cancelled the accounts and points.

I would hope the relatives have, at the very least, the opportunity to donate points to a charity if they are not allowed to use them themselves.

 

[serfty]

What happens overseas is irrelevant, different laws. Amex very clearly say no transfers and they are not property.

They can be gifted however.

Max 50,000PA and maybe a $5 per 1000pts fee.

http://www.australianfrequentflyer....mex-points-other-people-36376.html#post554135

 

[Foreigner]

They can be gifted however.

Max 50,000PA and maybe a $5 per 1000pts fee.

http://www.australianfrequentflyer....mex-points-other-people-36376.html#post554135

On reflection it may be better to burn points than to hoard them and see the value eroded over time. The airlines have become less and less generous.


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[cove]

Better start off with a check list before you start getting too many miles on the clock.
Everyone should have a will, a living will and an advanced health directive plus in the case of frequent flyer points have all the log ons and passwords within reach of your beneficiaries. If you have zillions of points have the beneficiaries use some by doing the booking process themselves.
If there is an 18 month rule of activity then yes earn a point or two off a Woolies EDR card or equivalent and get very active in booking flights for the beneficiaries. Maximize family transfers where possible.
Obviously it gets harder the more points that are held by one person so it is a good idea to spread the points earning around the family group.
Of course this is not financial advice and we have used a lawyer for the three documents mentioned.

 

[JohnK]

On reflection it may be better to burn points than to hoard them and see the value eroded over time. The airlines have become less and less generous.

I am stuck in this time warp wanting decent value for my points.

I can't spend ~93,500 Amex MR points + horrendous amounts on taxes and surcharges for a business class return to Asia when the economy airfare is ~$750 return.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I am stuck in this time warp wanting decent value for my points.

I can't spend ~93,500 Amex MR points + horrendous amounts on taxes and surcharges for a business class return to Asia when the economy airfare is ~$750 return.

Looking at the latest QF sale - $649 return to Singapore (exMEL). If you were to use an award ticket, 60K points and $455 in taxes fees and Qantas charges. So 60K points is now the equivalent of $192!! Incredibly bad value.

 

[burmans]

Looking at the latest QF sale - $649 return to Singapore (exMEL). If you were to use an award ticket, 60K points and $455 in taxes fees and Qantas charges. So 60K points is now the equivalent of $192!! Incredibly bad value.

True but isn't that a case of deliberately looking for worst value, i.e. you are looking during a sale (what's the value in non-sale periods?) and in Y which is regarded as worse value. Am sure an experienced frequent flyer can find ways to better use than that, e.g. for upgrades!

 

[JohnK]

Looking at the latest QF sale - $649 return to Singapore (exMEL). If you were to use an award ticket, 60K points and $455 in taxes fees and Qantas charges. So 60K points is now the equivalent of $192!! Incredibly bad value.

Yes that is terrible value for points. Better off buying a toaster.

My reference to ~93,500 Amex MR points + horrendous taxes and surcharges was in relation to booking an SQ business class return say SYD-BKK. I am not a huge fan of business class (underwhelming experiences to date) and I would rather pay ~$750 for an economy return SYD-CNX and earn points on top.

If that economy return was ~AUD1,500 then I start to see some value in using those points.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Yes that is terrible value for points. Better off buying a toaster.

My reference to ~93,500 Amex MR points + horrendous taxes and surcharges was in relation to booking an SQ business class return say SYD-BKK. I am not a huge fan of business class (underwhelming experiences to date) and I would rather pay ~$750 for an economy return SYD-CNX and earn points on top.

If that economy return was ~AUD1,500 then I start to see some value in using those points.

indeed Just the QF sale email arrived at the same time hence I decided to have a look at the Qantas charges component!

(on a side note... food labeling laws require ingredients to be listed in order of highest to lowest... if only airlines were forced to do the same thing... instead of 'carrier charges' being listed last, they should feature prominently as the main charge being levied.)