Business class - worth the points?

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been very spoiled by travelling long haul in J, now I do at least one J trip to Europe a year (2 for me this year and 3 for SWMBO) and my 5 week old son's first 13 flights (leaving this Thursday) will be in J as well. It is so much more comfortable all across the board that I am happy to look for ways to ensure we can keep this up. If I couldn't find a way to go in J for long haul Europe or US I would probably not go, for trips to Asia I don't mind Y that much if I can get a decent seat.
 
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Is there different food in Business? I thought airline food was the same in both Business and Economy? What's the difference. It still must be airline food?

cheers Peter
 
Similar to an earlier comment, age and size can be a determinant. As one gets older and heavier, and more aches and pains, then J seems more worth it.
 
Hi all

I have been fortunate to have travelled is a number of times including a 140000 Qantas point redemption around the world last year.

However there is one thing I have not done and that is fly business class internationally. A lot of people on the forums rave on about how you can get a seat that normally costs several thousand dollars by using points or upgrading.

However from my perspective it means outlaying double the number of points for a trip to say Paris. I could either have 2 economy tickets to Paris or just 1 business class seat.

Putting aside the fact that business class seats are normally very expensive is it really worth double the point usage to get a business class seat? If so, why?



Cheers Peter

As other have pointed out I think you need to ask the question in reverse... is economy class worth it for redemption? Looking at Qantas return Melbourne to London the cost is 120,000 points and $730 of qantas fees, charges and some tax. Qantas currently has a sale for buying a seat outright for just $1100. So 120,000 points is saving you $400.

You can actually get fares around the $900 mark on other airlines - so your 120,000 QF points is saving you maybe $170. Pretty expensive.

Business class might be double the points, but it's a much better flying experience. If it was me I'd put all my eggs in one basket, fly business class on one trip, and just pay the $900 out of my pocket for the second trip and buy a full revenue fare.

There are dozens of trip reports out there on the net - just google 'qantas business class London trip report' and you'll see the lounges, food, seats, wines. Qantas domestic business class meals are pretty much on par with what you might get in economy on an international flight. But international business is a step up.
 
I'm tempted.

One point though. I wouldn't fly out of London due to the usurious UK departure tax.

Much better to fly to London via HongKong and back from Amsterdam via Hong Kong.

cheers Peter
 
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I'm tempted.

One point though. I wouldn't fly out of London due to the usurious UK departure tax.

Much better to fly to London via HongKon and back from Amsterdam via Hong Kong.

cheers Peter

Even so - if your itinerary is on CX you are paying more points than QF/EK (15k-30K points more depending on the combination of airlines), and fees and charges are around $330-$460 mark. So you're saving ~$500 for ~140,000 points. Not necessarily good value.
 
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I'm tempted.

One point though. I wouldn't fly out of London due to the usurious UK departure tax.

Much better to fly to London via HongKong and back from Amsterdam via Hong Kong.

cheers Peter
Italy is good for this.
 
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I've flown a reasonable amount in both Y and J. J is definitely the way to fly, if you have the points or cash. Not just because it's comfortable or luxurious, but because Y is such a literal pain in the bum longhaul. I arrive tired, uncomfortable, unsatisfied with the food and drink. Lounge access makes up a little bit.

A couple of times I've had the 280K needed for a RTW J award trip, but both times I went for two RTW Y tickets. I took my daughter and son on a RTW trip, their choice of destinations, and had a tonne of fun each time. Being WP and having access to the good lounges helped a little - we ate and drank far too much and generally hopped onto our onwards flights nicely pickled.

Besides, trying to string together an itinerary in Y is a lot easier than hunting down J seats.

Y+ is more like it. Not so many perks, but a seat that isn't torture.

J gives you a comfortable experience, a good chance at decent sleep, food that is usually interesting and enjoyable, drink that isn't base grade, and room to move around. Generally there is aisle access even from window seats, and the loo queues not too long. And lounge access.

F is more than I honestly need. I've flown longhaul F once and it was great. Something to treat the missus for a special holiday maybe, or if you have more points than you know what to do with. The lounges are superb and the whole trip becomes an indulgence.

But J is the way to make long distance travel enjoyable.

DVT seems to strike regardless of cabin. Maybe because up the front one drinks more alcohol than water. There have been some epic tales of premium travellers going through bottle after bottle, and I had one FA on CX HKG-LHR tell me to drink up, sir, we can call ahead for a wheelchair!

My preference for travel is a oneworld Explorer ticket in business. Costs $7K-$14K depending on start point, and is great value for money over regular fares. Called a DONE4 around here, and I've done four of them, all as a solo traveller. If done right, it will get you a pile of points and status credits. Generally enough to make platinum. Do it at the right time, that's high status for the best part of two years with a soft landing to gold for another year.

Y is okay if you want to travel on the cheap. If you are young and travel is the adventure, then whY not?
J is a LOT better than Y. It's comfortable, you'll get more luggage, bypass a lot of the queues, skip over many of the little embuggerances of modern travel.
F is good for occasional, special rides. For what you pay, it's really not that great a value. The big leap is from Y to J. From J to F, not so much.
 
As others have mentioned, the taxes involved with economy redemptions can be only a little less than the purchase of an outright ticket (on which you earn further points). I have flown F and J many times, through great advice received on AFF, but recently flew Y to Europe for $1,100 as this was a great value point for me. It was perfectly comfy for the price!
 
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Again as others have mentioned I wouldn't waste my points on a Y redemption.
I have never flown F but have some F flights booked for next year as I want to have the experience at least once on a couple of airlines. Having done J a few times now, it certainly represents best bang for your buck (points) IMHO.

Like I say to my wife, I haven't worked my ring piece off for the last 40+ years to sit down the back. YMMV.
 
For getting value for your points, saving up for a business redemption is definitely better value than redeeming in Y, even before one factors in the YQ that has to be paid as well. I wouldn't go as far as to say that you could never go back to Y after experiencing J, but it is well worth doing if the chance arises.

My main advice would be to research which airline's J product looks better (they vary a lot more, even on the same airline, than Y products) before you book and try to redeem for a long haul flight rather than just a MEL-SYD type flight.
 
I think one issue is many companies are revising travel policy to Economy or PE for long haul.
Business/First seems to be the domain of Pollies...guess who pays for them and overpaid C suite execs who often negotiate this as part of their employment contracts.
My CEO (and we are a large company)will fly economy with his team if travelling with them good on him.
Certainly Business Long haul esp on Qantas is ridiculously expensive.
 
How about the intermediate class? We flew Cathay Pacific Prem Econ MEL to LHR and were happy. I later flew Bus Class on Jetstar MEL- Bangkok (not paid by me) and noted that the seats were identical to the Cathay Pacific prem econ.
 
The family and I have travelled once in business (NZ to LA free upgrade) and yes it was a good experience but not a chance I will ever pay for it. Possibly use points for the wife and I one day for an upgrade though.
Economy facilities and entertainment have improved a lot and if you select the right seat (aisle seat near toilet) there is little to complain about. There is a small chance you will get the passenger from hell sitting next to you but that can happen in business as well (be it less likely). If you are fortunate enough for the cost not to be an issue, naturally business is the way to go but for the rest of us the extra cost is hard to swallow.
 
I don't think it's worth it unless you have an unlimited supply of points. I'm comfortable travelling economy. My goal is to travel as often as possible and that means travelling economy most times. Occassionally I treat myself to business class.

You need to know that once you go long haul in business class there will be no going back.
Wrong....
 
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Hi all

I have been fortunate to have travelled is a number of times including a 140000 Qantas point redemption around the world last year.

However there is one thing I have not done and that is fly business class internationally. A lot of people on the forums rave on about how you can get a seat that normally costs several thousand dollars by using points or upgrading.

However from my perspective it means outlaying double the number of points for a trip to say Paris. I could either have 2 economy tickets to Paris or just 1 business class seat.

Putting aside the fact that business class seats are normally very expensive is it really worth double the point usage to get a business class seat? If so, why?

That aside does having a business class seat reduce the risk of dvt?

Cheers Peter

Last time that I flew, was back in 2011. I went to China to get a job ( got it ). Flew back from BKK in Y class in a B747-400. Totally crammed in the middle of a row of 4 seats. Every-one around me had seats back, legs stretched etc. I didn't need a toilet break, so, didn't get up to stretch my legs as I normally would have done. Well, one week later, they were prising my mouth open with what felt like a crow bar. I had suffered a stroke. Could not walk, and, lost my " short term memory ". After 128 days in hospital, where they taught me how to walk again, and, they did memory training, I was released back to my own care.

Wasn't allowed to drive a car for 7 months either. Nowadays, I take things carefully. On the bright side, next month, I am going to Japan, China, Thailand and Cambodia. Just not flying economy class, except for a short one hour internal flight in Japan.

Using up my frequent flyer points, and flying business class. The trip is costing me 205,000 Qantas points. Some-one said," if you went Y class, you could do two trips ".. No thanks. Maybe Y class with an airline that does give some legroom, such as THAI Airways.
 
I think one issue is many companies are revising travel policy to Economy or PE for long haul.
Business/First seems to be the domain of Pollies...guess who pays for them and overpaid C suite execs who often negotiate this as part of their employment contracts.
My CEO (and we are a large company)will fly economy with his team if travelling with them good on him.
Certainly Business Long haul esp on Qantas is ridiculously expensive.

I think this is so far from the truth that it's ridiculous.

Retirees, young singles, upper middle class families I know all travel in business long haul occasionally. Honeymooners too.

Many companies still have business travel, not just the high ups.

I will agree that many companies are downgrading their travel policies too, but that's about it.
 
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