Bizarre Experience at the QF J Lounge LAX

[MEL_Traveller]

But where are these rules actually written down?

To be clear, I'm not arguing that this practice would be right or something I would even do. But you can't claim it's "against the rules" if the rules don't actually say that.

The benefit for gold membership is the ability to bring one guest into a lounge. Otherwise you could have one gold member in say Hong Kong, guesting up to five or six other passengers simultaneously (one to each of the CX and QF lounges).

The potential breach is from the QFFF terms and conditions (particulalrly 7.1.(b)):

7. Member obligations and responsibilities

7.1 Members must not:
(a) act in any way which breaches these Terms and Conditions; or
(b) abuse or misuse Qantas Frequent Flyer, any Rewards, Awards, Benefits, facilities, services or arrangements accorded to the Member as a result of Membership including by:
(i) engaging in illegal or fraudulent activities;
(ii) supplying or attempting to supply false or misleading information, or making a misrepresentation to Qantas Group Company or any oneworld Alliance Airline, Airline Partner, Qantas Interline Airline or Non-airline Partner;

and the sanctions available are these:

8. Suspension or Termination of Membership

8.1 If a Member has committed a material breach of any of the Terms and Conditions or has failed to pay any money due under Qantas Frequent Flyer, or Qantas Club or Aquire by the due date, whether intentionally or otherwise, then Qantas Loyalty may do any one or more of the following:
(a) suspend or terminate the Member's Membership and/or the right of the Member to use the Card;
(b) reverse or cancel the Member's Qantas Points or any part thereof; or
(c) cancel or refuse to honour any Rewards (including ticketed Reward Flights), Awards, Benefits or both, that have been redeemed by or provided to the Member.

 

[opusman]

The only rule there you have quoted that is in any way relevant is 7(a) - "act in any way which breaches these Terms and Conditions", and even then only if the T&C say that you can only guest one person into one lounge at any one time. I've checked, they don't

 

[medhead]

Last time I looked the ADL QP was a domestic lounge?

This discussion arose from international lounges, something that I clearly mentioned. While your adl aside is interesting as you note it's not an international lounge hence having little bearing on the question. There is also only one lounge in adl, so you would not be guesting your allowance twice into 2 lounges.

You've asked what rules would be broken for the case of guesting a members quota into 2 lounges. Guest allowance would be one rule broken.

 

[medhead]

The only rule there you have quoted that is in any way relevant is 7(a) - "act in any way which breaches these Terms and Conditions", and even then only if the T&C say that you can only guest one person into one lounge at any one time. I've checked, they don't

The rules clearly limit how many guests your allowed, taking that limit into two lounge simultaneously would mean the guest allowance is exceeded.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

The only rule there you have quoted that is in any way relevant is 7(a) - "act in any way which breaches these Terms and Conditions", and even then only if the T&C say that you can only guest one person into one lounge at any one time. I've checked, they don't

I would think it comes under 7b... abuse or misuse of benefits. I don't think the guesting rules were intended to allow a single gold tier to guest up to 6 passengers, simultaneously, at HKG for example.

 

[opusman]

It's clearly not clear otherwise we would not be having this discussion

If you want to read more into the rules than there is that's up to you.

 

[JohnK]

Or even Arthur and Arthur is you're so inclined.

When ever I enter an international lounge they scan my BP so they do know I've arrived. I have heard the staff remind pax that when they leave the lounge so must their guest, so it does happen. YMMV.

I have never heard that mentioned.

But even then the following is still possible. Guest Heckle into the First lounge. Both depart. Then guest Jeckle into Business lounge. Both depart.

In places such as HKG it gets easier as the boarding pass of the person you are guesting does not get scanned so you can guest a different person into each lounge.

Without giving Qantas ideas none of this is against any terms and conditions.

 

[Anna]

memorise everyone on your flights face and stand by the escalators with a big smile on your face hoping to make friends.

I wasn't asking for me. I was asking for a friend. No, really

Turns out he's got a points upgrade now anyway from SYD to JFK so I assume he's now ok for the J lounge at LAX.