Avalon to become Victoria's second international airport with new terminal

[nlagalle]

I can see AirAsiaX jumping on this too.

Didn't Air Asia want to fly to AVV a couple of years ago but they weren't allowed to for whatever reason?

 

[anat0l]

What about HKG?

Yeah, HKG isn't near the city, and you're right - by road it is at least an hour (only slightly less if going to Kowloon). The Airport Express really helps the transit time.

I guess my point was made as a counter to the argument that the location was cr*p, which I interpreted to mean it was in the middle of nowhere useful. So naturally effective transport options will need to be conceived for AVV to be a successful airport.

 

[samh004]

Didn't Air Asia want to fly to AVV a couple of years ago but they weren't allowed to for whatever reason?

They probably weren't allowed because there's no international terminal/immigration/customs!


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[samh004]

I guess my point was made as a counter to the argument that the location was cr*p, which I interpreted to mean it was in the middle of nowhere useful. So naturally effective transport options will need to be conceived for AVV to be a successful airport.

If I was them I'd design a terminal that could easily be expanded to something to rival Tullamarine. Make plans to add runways, terminals and a proper link to the city and they'll have a world class airport. They might even blast SYD out of the water/kick NSW into gear for building their second airport that would hopefully be better than their first.


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[anat0l]

You can easily get to Stansted by train. I've done it before. Never would think of catching a bus..

Yep just checked again and realised there is the Stansted Express. But can cost at least double that of a bus.

I have to admit, I don't know why I say that when it costs a bit more to catch the Narita Express from Tokyo to Narita. It's probably because the airfare I purchased to depart from STN makes me think, why should I spend at least 50-80% of the fare I paid on the journey to the airport (i.e. only one-way!).

I wonder how people would take it if there was a very fast express train from Southern Cross Station directly to Avalon Airport, running every 20 minutes, costing AUD 30 one way.

 

[wandering_fred]

I wonder how people would take it if there was a very fast express train from Southern Cross Station directly to Avalon Airport, running every 20 minutes, costing AUD 30 one way.

I'd much rather the fare was London tube fare level than Heathrow Express...

At least no more expensive than the bus to Tullamarine.

Happy wandering

Fred

 

[whatmeworry]

I will avoid Avalon with a passion. Unless you live at Werribee or Geelong, a shocking location.

Even if you live in the inner western suburbs of MEL near Geelong rd or the Princes freeway it would maybe not be too bad. Maybe a 40-45 min trip by car (Getting someone to give you a lift is another matter? ) . However other transport options to AVV are quite poor. From what I can tell, no chance of public transport to AVV. In my case I would have to double back to the CBD or go to Werribee RSL to catch the SITA bus. adding at least a minimum of half an hour to an hour for getting there. Plus the bus is quite pricey from Southern Cross station at $38 return. Can't get a price from Werribee.

I wonder how people would take it if there was a very fast express train from Southern Cross Station directly to Avalon Airport, running every 20 minutes, costing AUD 30 one way.

Would not be viable considering AVV has relatively low pax numbers. Better off making a train to MEL. I don't know the top speed trains can travel from Melbourne to Geelong but your proposal would need track upgrades,fast train, line extension. The closet Vline station is Lara, so maybe a bus from there would be better.

I'm pretty sure people would put up with the annoyance of AVV for $49 international airfares (this price is a guess, but it wouldn't surprise me)... It's amazing what ppl will do to save a dollar or 2. Esp if it means they can get flights to bali and coughet.

If I could get a flight to Asia for under $400 return, for sure I would consider AVV.

I have used airports like Frankfurt (Hahn) and Oslo (Torp) with Ryanair which are out in woop woop. However some of these airports are actually convenient. Oslo (Torp) for example is actually near my mates place in Norway and the most direct way of getting and usually the cheapest (Even with Ryanair extras! )

IIRC correctly parking was free at AVV?

 

[Blinky]

Does anyone seriously think this do nothing government will build a train line to Avalon within a decade? The only new train infrastructure in decades has been the few kilometre extension to South Morang, and this took many years. Without a train to the city, Avalon will be a joke as an international terminal.

 

[markis10]

Does anyone seriously think this do nothing government will build a train line to Avalon within a decade? The only new train infrastructure in decades has been the few kilometre extension to South Morang, and this took many years. Without a train to the city, Avalon will be a joke as an international terminal.

Does the same criteria make Tulla a joke now?

 

[JessicaTam]

Does the same criteria make Tulla a joke now?

Hasn't a lack of a rail link at Tulla always been a joke?


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[serfty]

It wasn't a joke in the 60's when the Tulla freeway was built for the new airport.

There were different philosophies in play back then.

IIRC, it was the first or second such freeway opened in Victoria (South Eastern was opened sometime around the same period.)

Posted on a wing and a prayer ...

 

[munitalP]

Does anyone seriously think this do nothing government will build a train line to Avalon within a decade? The only new train infrastructure in decades has been the few kilometre extension to South Morang, and this took many years. Without a train to the city, Avalon will be a joke as an international terminal.

There's a train line and unused platform at AVV doorstep - what choo talkin' bout willis?





Well within 1200 meters or so anyway - a good spot to put the decommissioned (about to be) Sydney mono rail

 

[Blinky]

There's a train line and unused platform at AVV doorstep - what choo talkin' bout willis?





Well within 1200 meters or so anyway - a good spot to put the decommissioned (about to be) Sydney mono rail

I stand by my skepticism about the Bailleau government getting public transport infrastructure done.

 

[moa999]

It wasn't a joke in the 60's when the Tulla freeway was built for the new airport.

There were different philosophies in play back then.

IIRC, it was the first or second such freeway opened in Victoria (South Eastern was opened sometime around the same period.)
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Note at the time Sydney had neither a motorway or a train line going to the airport.
And its not like the Sydney train line has been a runaway success (now I believe this is mostly due to the gate fee making it only cheaper for 1/2pax) but ultimately that was the fee required to make the project viable (anpther matter whether the govt should have just taken on debt for it)

 

[Peter D]

Does anyone seriously think this do nothing government will build a train line to Avalon within a decade? The only new train infrastructure in decades has been the few kilometre extension to South Morang, and this took many years. Without a train to the city, Avalon will be a joke as an international terminal.

It's more of a reality than we realise. Back in May constuction actualy started on the high speed line from Southern Cross to a point beyond Werribee so that country trains (Geelong etc) can bypass suburban commuter lines. Thats two thirds of the way to Avalon.

I doubt Avalon could ever justify a heavy rail branch but Lara station is so close a shuttle service with a one bus wide bridge over the freeway would work a treat.

The big issue is that Avalon is in the wrong place.

The demographic centre of Melbourne is a long way out in the SE suburbs and moving further SE all the time.

A properly planned second airport should really be to the SE not the West but where could we put it ?

 

[fersea]

Note at the time Sydney had neither a motorway or a train line going to the airport.
And its not like the Sydney train line has been a runaway success (now I believe this is mostly due to the gate fee making it only cheaper for 1/2pax) but ultimately that was the fee required to make the project viable (anpther matter whether the govt should have just taken on debt for it)

The only thing wrong with the Sydney airport train us the cost. I am going o/s in a couple if weeks and I am catching a bus from the centre if Canberra direct to Sydney international for $17 (about a three hour trip). The train from Sydney central costs $16.40 (about 10 mins). Go figure.

 

[Blinky]

The big issue is that Avalon is in the wrong place.

The demographic centre of Melbourne is a long way out in the SE suburbs and moving further SE all the time.

A properly planned second airport should really be to the SE not the West but where could we put it ?

Absolutely agree. Somewhere around Koo Wee Rup or Tooradin would be ideal, and it would cost relatively little to upgrade and reopen the South Gippsland rail line.

 

[pshepvic]

It's more of a reality than we realise. Back in May constuction actualy started on the high speed line from Southern Cross to a point beyond Werribee so that country trains (Geelong etc) can bypass suburban commuter lines. Thats two thirds of the way to Avalon.

I doubt Avalon could ever justify a heavy rail branch but Lara station is so close a shuttle service with a one bus wide bridge over the freeway would work a treat.

The big issue is that Avalon is in the wrong place.

The demographic centre of Melbourne is a long way out in the SE suburbs and moving further SE all the time.

A properly planned second airport should really be to the SE not the West but where could we put it ?

Moorabbin airport is SE but I don't think you can land anything bigger than a 737 there...


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[Blinky]

Moorabbin airport is SE but I don't think you can land anything bigger than a 737 there...


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Moorabbin is, of course, an impossible site for an international airport, just as Bankstown would be for Sydney.

 

[Isochronous]

Koo Wee Rup or somewhere near Nar Nar Goon would be ideal, not far from the Gippsland Railway.