Australian state border restrictions

[Lynda2475]

If you have a flu vax you can still get the flu and transmit it, if you have had chicken pox vax you can still get mild chicken pox and spread it. There is nothing unusual here. Even the very sucessful MMR only gives lasting immunity to 93% of recipients.

Herd immunity was never official policy, preventing serious illness and stress on medical system was.

If you are vaccinated and get covid but are asymptomatic that is a win.

 

[Brissy1]

you can still get...

I don't think anyone expects 100%. But one does expect a significant %, against contraction (which I believe the flu vaccine provides but the so called covid "vax" appears not to. So they are different). But that's not too say that the covid injection is not very effective at reducing symptoms dramatically. I just believe it would be helpful in reducing spread if the general public was fully aware that the "covid vax" does very little to prevent the contraction nor the spread of covid (unlike vaccines), so shouldn't be called a vaccine.

I'm not sure what you mean by "official policy" as responsibility was often delegated to CHOs and the health dept. who were advocating herd immunity rates of immunisation.

 

[Lynda2475]

But one does expect a significant %, against contraction (which I believe the flu vaccine provides but the so called covid "vax" appears not to. So they are different)

Flu vax is 59% effective against contracting flu for under 65s, lower for older age groups. Again main benefit is in reducing effects should you get infected, not to stop all spread.

We have never routinely tested for flu outside hospitals or nursing home settings, pre covid if you got flu gp mostly sent you home to rest and keep liquids up, few would bother swabing you and sending off to a lab for formal daignosis.

 

[drron]

QLD businesses are now campaigning to get a review of the vaccine mandate which was promised when the vaccination rate got to 90%.

No jab, no job? Employers plead for vaccine mandate review

Businesses call for state action, saying they are 'desperate to know what’s next'

www.hcamag.com

And about time too.

 

[wandering_fred]

Flu vax is 59% effective against contracting flu for under 65s, lower for older age groups. Again main benefit is in reducing effects should you get infected, not to stop all spread.

We have never routinely tested for flu outside hospitals or nursing home settings, pre covid if you got flu gp mostly sent you home to rest and keep liquids up, few would bother swabing you and sending off to a lab for formal daignosis.

Flu vaccines are likely more effective against the flu strains against which they are actually targeted. But like many things the targets keep moving. Hence the generic flu protection gets "a bad name/rap".
And most people I know would consider traditional vaccines as those for mumps, measles, rubella, small pox and polio (as examples). These examples, for a very high percentage, limit infection as opposed to just severity of infection. If you are NOT infected, you can not spread it.
Unless you have very unusual habits related to wandering
Fred

 

[Must...Fly!]

Flu vaccines are likely more effective against the flu strains against which they are actually targeted. But like many things the targets keep moving. Hence the generic flu protection gets "a bad name/rap".
And most people I know would consider traditional vaccines as those for mumps, measles, rubella, small pox and polio (as examples). These examples, for a very high percentage, limit infection as opposed to just severity of infection. If you are NOT infected, you can not spread it.
Unless you have very unusual habits related to wandering
Fred

I do wonder if one wanted to wander to WA in the winter months, would you need to prove a flu jab? Trivalent or quadrivalent? One dose? When does it expire?

Sometimes best not to think too hard...

 

[wandering_fred]

I do wonder if one wanted to wander to WA in the winter months, would you need to prove a flu jab? Trivalent or quadrivalent? One dose? When does it expire?

Sometimes best not to think too hard...

Please do not give the WA government any new ideas about travelers' health
It might be a bad influence on wandering
Fred

 

[jakeseven7]

Please do not give the WA government any new ideas about travelers' health
It might be a bad influence on wandering
Fred

Maybe they will chuck in an IQ test too, anyone that scores over 75 is not allowed entry combined with covid vax check flu vaccine check and a swab for the new ‘super cold’ that’s going’s round

 

[cwphoto]

Only for a teeny proportion of the 5% who arent jabbed, most have no medical reason whasover not to get vaccinated, they are choosing not to or being lazy.

You cant punish and restrict the 95% because of 5%, the onus for extra precautions and restrictions needs to be on the minority, the world cant keep pausing life due to covid, we dont take such actions for any other disease with a CFR well below 1%.

Why does anyone need to be punished or restricted? A choice one way or another affects nobody except the choice-maker.

 

[drron]

Why does anyone need to be punished or restricted? A choice one way or another affects nobody except the choice-maker.

Especially as it is being shown in several studies that vaccinated people can transmit the virus at the same rate as unvaccinated folk. And if those unvaccinated folk have had a covid infection they are less likely to transmit covid than double vaxxed folk.

 

[Lynda2475]

You have taken the quote out of context, that was a reply to ridiculous suggestion that those who are vaccinated should be restricted to protect those that didn't bother. - laughable on every level. But in the event any restriction were to to be enforced it should be on those in the rare minority not the majority.

I didnt call for anyone to be punished, i specifically said i am against those who are vaccinated being restricted and punished because of numpties who choose not to. And as for the numpties well if they die because of their poor choices, well so be it.

 

[cwphoto]

You have taken the quote out of context, that was a reply to ridiculous suggestion that those who are vaccinated should be restricted to protect those that didn't bother. - laughable on every level. But in the event any restriction were to to be enforced it should be on those in the rare minority not the majority.

I didnt call for anyone to be punished, i specifically said i am against those who are vaccinated being restricted and punished because of numpties who choose not to. And as for the numpties well if they die because of their poor choices, well so be it.

Flippant disregard for 'Numpties' lives - how wonderfully human of you.

I'm curious - how do these Numpties affect you and why are you so angry?

+ the poor souls who died due to the vaccine - is their death a consequence of poor choice too?

 

[N860CR]

Flippant disregard for 'Numpties' lives - how wonderfully human of you.

I'm curious - how do these Numpties affect you and why are you so angry?

+ the poor souls who died due to the vaccine - is their death a consequence of poor choice too?

I’m very pro-vax, always have been. Part of life in Africa really. But I’ve always had issues with 1) the restrictions on people who chose not to be vaccinated and 2) the way they’ve been labeled by the panicked masses.

At the end of the day, if you’re under 50 and fairly healthy then covid is not a big deal - vaccinated or not. I always took great issue with people being forced to disclose personal health information to enter a venue like David Jones or the Bourbon Hotel. Hell, the Potts Point Hotel even required people to show this personal health information after the government had lifted the requirement. It was certainly a bridge too far, but for some reason the majority found it acceptable.

 

[Lynda2475]

Lol I'm not angry in the least, I'm very happy NSW ditched restrictions.

Why are you trying to pick a fight?

 

[cwphoto]

Lol I'm not angry in the least, I'm very happy NSW ditched restrictions.

Why are you trying to pick a fight?

I'm not sure I'm picking the fight - you're the one who wants to treat unvaxxed folks as lepers, so I'd say you're picking the fight.

You seem to be very angry at the unvaxxed - why?

 

[Lynda2475]

I'm not angry at the unvaxed I just think they are incredibly stupid for making the decision not to protect themselves against serious illness. Unvaccinated still dominate ICU.

And i have no idea on what basis you are making the absurd claim I said they should be treated like leppers.

Clearly you are looking for a fight by making false accusations, maybe read posts as written and not where people quote partial statements completely out of context.

Just because I don't waste energy feeling sorry for those who make poor decisions, doesn't make me angry.

 

[jase05]

I'm not sure I'm picking the fight - you're the one who wants to treat unvaxxed folks as lepers, so I'd say you're picking the fight.

You seem to be very angry at the unvaxxed - why?

I don’t think anyone is angry but I too have zero problems with unvaccinated being excluded from things

 

[N860CR]

I don’t think anyone is angry but I too have zero problems with unvaccinated being excluded from things

Why though? I could see merit in it if our hospitals were genuinely overrun (they never got close), but what is it achieving at this point?

 

[drron]

I'm not angry at the unvaxed I just think they are incredibly stupid for making the decision not to protect themselves against serious illness. Unvaccinated still dominate ICU.

And i have no idea on what basis you are making the absurd claim I said they should be treated like leppers.

Clearly you are looking for a fight by making false accusations, maybe read posts as written and not where people quote partial statements completely out of context.

Just because I don't waste energy feeling sorry for those who make poor decisions, doesn't make me angry.

Are you sure. The figures for NSW in the week ending 2/4 show 45% of Icu patients had 3 or more doses. 35% had 2 doses and 20% had none or vaccine status unknown.
Yes more likely to end up in ICU if unvaxxed but the proportion of unvaxxed has been dropping since the beginning of 2022.

 

[cwphoto]

I don’t think anyone is angry but I too have zero problems with unvaccinated being excluded from things

Why?