Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[N860CR]

Everything, I think. But most importantly, common sense and decency.

Oh, and BTW re Pattaya, I've never been (why would I?), but my wife has been there several times and has not noticed an upsurge of disease compared with elsewhere in Thailand. She is also quite aware and understanding of the sexual diversity and ethnic transient populations there, perhaps unlike you?

So where's your stats?

Yes, well aware.

So what is “everything”? Apparently I’m incorrect in saying that your claim that NSW “spread the virus” was wrong? Honestly mate… I’m sorry your mother died while infected with this mild virus, but you’re 70+ yes? So she was what, 90? You’re well and truly blinded.

 

[ketsuzei]

Thread should perhaps be renamed:

Australian Retorts to the Virus Dread

 

[Freq Flier 2013]

As people are saying it’s ok not to wear masks, I know of a pharmacist who was covid positive recently and worked the whole time but “wore a mask”. They didn’t have to stay at home as the rules are they you can go out and no need to quarantine.
They told their staff - some agreed to work and others refused, so stayed at home.
Based on everyone’s comments that is acceptable. I would disagree.

 

[Tropic]

Despite having a full card I'm sitting this dance out... The band is loose and the tunes too syncopated and dischordant - the "horns" are overpowering the fiddler and the harpist, and the keyboard player is tone deaf .. but then I dont go to hospital to discuss frequent flyer stuff and definately dont come to AFF for medical or "science" advice...or dancing lessons.

 

[JohnK]

Make up your own mind John but count me out. What you propose to me is a living death.

Apologies @drron but what I'm saying makes sense. I'll explain living death to you and it's a lot worse than what you consider living death.

Living death is when you are burning inside. You cannot move. You cannot breathe. You cannot swallow properly. Every single muscle in your body is aching. If you're lucky this only lasts a week or so. If you're unlucky this can last for weeks/months.

Why? Because some smartarse decided their needs are greater than the needs of those around them and they went to work and spread it to unsuspecting coworkers.

By the way if you cannot find a job that has sick leave and annual leave then it's time to look for another job with better conditions.

It is definitely not ok to spread any virus. If people don't need to isolate/quarantine due to a pandemic because of their basic human rights then surely people also have a right to feel safe and not be subjected to a virus that is dangerous to them?

Surely you cannot be contemplating that it's OK to pass a virus around but if you don't want to be infected you should isolate/quarantine? What a warped society we've become.

 

[Quickstatus]

The band is loose

The drummer is banging on at the back but does not know we are on page 2.
The winds are fighting with the strings
And the conductor has gone home

I don't go to hospital to discuss frequent flyer stuff

I do.
Drs usually have lots of FF points due to their high business expenses that they can put on the Amex.
1 guy in particular is an SQ suites afficionado having done it many times on redemptions.
Another uses the AY RTW specials to maintain his WP with RTW runs.
1 poor fellow had to give half his points (7 figures) away in the divorce settlement (plus the rest)

 

[N860CR]

Apologies @drron but what I'm saying makes sense. I'll explain living death to you and it's a lot worse than what you consider living death.

Living death is when you are burning inside. You cannot move. You cannot breathe. You cannot swallow properly. Every single muscle in your body is aching. If you're lucky this only lasts a week or so. If you're unlucky this can last for weeks/months.

Why? Because some smartarse decided their needs are greater than the needs of those around them and they went to work and spread it to unsuspecting coworkers.

By the way if you cannot find a job that has sick leave and annual leave then it's time to look for another job with better conditions.

It is definitely not ok to spread any virus. If people don't need to isolate/quarantine due to a pandemic because of their basic human rights then surely people also have a right to feel safe and not be subjected to a virus that is dangerous to them?

Surely you cannot be contemplating that it's OK to pass a virus around but if you don't want to be infected you should isolate/quarantine? What a warped society we've become.

And masks will fix this? Or getting a booster every week?

 

[Pom-DownUnder]

Surely you cannot be contemplating that it's OK to pass a virus around but if you don't want to be infected you should isolate/quarantine? What a warped society we've become.

always what it comes down to, twisting the narrative to demonise the person who has a different viewpoint, at no point what so ever has drron argued for the terminology your attempted to stuff into his mouth. sounds like you are only a few posts away from a 'well i'm right and there is just no point trying to educate you further' so thats a bonus at least

 

[drron]

Apologies @drron but what I'm saying makes sense. I'll explain living death to you and it's a lot worse than what you consider living death.

Living death is when you are burning inside. You cannot move. You cannot breathe. You cannot swallow properly. Every single muscle in your body is aching. If you're lucky this only lasts a week or so. If you're unlucky this can last for weeks/months.

Why? Because some smartarse decided their needs are greater than the needs of those around them and they went to work and spread it to unsuspecting coworkers.

By the way if you cannot find a job that has sick leave and annual leave then it's time to look for another job with better conditions.

It is definitely not ok to spread any virus. If people don't need to isolate/quarantine due to a pandemic because of their basic human rights then surely people also have a right to feel safe and not be subjected to a virus that is dangerous to them?

Surely you cannot be contemplating that it's OK to pass a virus around but if you don't want to be infected you should isolate/quarantine? What a warped society we've become.

Sorry john your views I don't agree with. nobody I know knowingly goes around spreading viruses.
And masks are not going to stop it. An interesting study on masks done at the NWRH Burnie. I knew one of the authors and the second has become quite well known.It studies whether anaethetists in the OR need to wear masks.
"
There is little evidence to suggest that the wearing
of surgical face masks by staff in the operating theatre
decreases postoperative wound infections. Published
evidence indicates that postoperative wound infec-
tion rates are not significantly different in unmasked
versus masked theatre staff. However, there is
evidence indicating a significant reduction in post-
operative wound infection rates when theatre staff
are unmasked."

(PDF) Do Anaesthetists Need to Wear Surgical Masks in the Operating Theatre? A Literature Review with Evidence-Based Recommendations

PDF | Many operating theatre staff believe that the surgical face mask protects the healthcare worker from potentially hazardous biological infections.... | Find, read and cite all the research you need on ResearchGate

www.researchgate.net

 

[JohnK]

always what it comes down to, twisting the narrative to demonise the person who has a different viewpoint, at no point what so ever has drron argued for the terminology your attempted to stuff into his mouth. sounds like you are only a few posts away from a 'well i'm right and there is just no point trying to educate you further' so thats a bonus at least

No I'm not saying that is what @drron said. I said let me explain living death. And I explained what living death means to me.

By the way I've met @drron and @mrs.dr.ron many times and I highly respect them both but that does not mean we have to have the same thoughts on this pandemic.

And also there are quite a few people in this thread who justify people going to work infected with covid. There is no justification regardless of what side of the argument you are because our main focus should be the well being of everyone not just a few. And just because you are a casual is a dumb excuse to go to work sick.

 

[The black sheep]

As a recent viewer of this thread, I have some opinions. I am not on either side, but I instead see the polarity of views. Both Drron and JohnK seem to have very solid views. Totally opposing. All I can offer from the outside is that you both need to sit back and truly respect why the other party has their views. Understand and respect why they have these. Taking simply opposite positions and endlessly promoting/defending these, does nothing in a real discourse.
Perhaps I should share with you both contact details with my marriage counselor, who faces the same enmity

 

[sjk]

And also there are quite a few people in this thread who justify people going to work infected with covid. There is no justification regardless of what side of the argument you are because our main focus should be the well being of everyone not just a few. And just because you are a casual is a dumb excuse to go to work sick.

And how do you propose stopping asymptomatic people from going to work and spreading it?

 

[N860CR]

As a recent viewer of this thread, I have some opinions. I am not on either side, but I instead see the polarity of views. Both Drron and JohnK seem to have very solid views. Totally opposing. All I can offer from the outside is that you both need to sit back and truly respect why the other party has their views. Understand and respect why they have these. Taking simply opposite positions and endlessly promoting/defending these, does nothing in a real discourse.
Perhaps I should share with you both contact details with my marriage counselor, who faces the same enmity

Except one is a doctor.

 

[Quickstatus]

of a pharmacist who was covid positive recently and worked the whole time but “wore a mask”

The recommendation is if you work in a health care setting and are symptomatic you should stay home for 7 days and until symptoms disappear.

There are exceptions such as critical HCW where their absence may be more harmful.

Most people though are very reasonable and will abide by recommendations - if the recommendations are reasonable. I would rather a self regulating population that one with mandates enforced by fiat

 

[Pom-DownUnder]

If you are sick with an infectious illness you should do your best to minimise contact with people, this is not new with covid, treat it like any other.

@JohnK i guess i'm getting confused when you said "Surely you cannot be contemplating that it's OK to pass a virus around but if you don't want to be infected you should isolate/quarantine?"

but i guess you will claim the caveat of 'i'm saying surely not, i'm not saying xx_x'

 

[Princess Fiona]

The recommendation is if you work in a health care setting and are symptomatic you should stay home for 7 days and until symptoms disappear.

There are exceptions such as critical HCW where their absence may be more harmful

Don’t know about your facility but we are not allowed to attend work until 7 days after positive test, doesn’t matter what the absence would do.
Different rules for close contacts eg positive partner of HCW. They are to inform their manager and if needed for critical service attend and undergo serial RATS, n95, not eat in shared tearooms etc.
In practice this is what happens for all HCW who are close household contacts. Their absence can’t be absorbed.

Critical care NSW.

 

[drron]

always what it comes down to, twisting the narrative to demonise the person who has a different viewpoint, at no point what so ever has drron argued for the terminology your attempted to stuff into his mouth. sounds like you are only a few posts away from a 'well i'm right and there is just no point trying to educate you further' so thats a bonus at least

I have met johnK more than once and also his wife and lovely daughter. I really like him but it is just so sad to see someone absolutely taken in with the fear campaign.
John is obviously very set in his ideas. There is absolutely no way he is going to change his mind so on this thread I will just ignore his posts.

 

[The black sheep]

Except one is a doctor.

Yes, and I would bank my families health on his opinions. Have total respect for DrRon on this. I just wanted to highlight how perverse this discussion has become.

 

[Quickstatus]

doesn’t matter what the absence would do.

There is the exception in place but I have not seen anyone pull the trigger on that one. There is no need to as currently there is no emergency re beds or staffing.

 

[N860CR]

Yes, and I would bank my families health on his opinions. Have total respect for DrRon on this. I just wanted to highlight how perverse this discussion has become.

Totally agree. But it also goes to prove quite a bit of the “covid hysteria”. Certain people are still absorbed in it despite it being quite clear that we’ve all been had, for lack of a better term. People are desperate for a 5th or 6th vaccination, despite it being proven it is of no benefit (and likely of more harm). People are walking around wearing masks despite us knowing they do nothing. Yet when this is pointed out to them, they attack the rest of us. It’s identified a pretty serious mental health issue that we continue to ignore by giving these people airtime.