Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[lovetravellingoz]

Weimar: A number of the recently identified positive residents at the Kings Park Complex have now taken up the offer to move into HQ

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Sutton:

Of the Kings Park cases none have had any direct interaction that they can recall with another of the Kings Park cases (unless in the same household), nor have they been linked by attending another common location (ie store) at the same time.

ie Fleeting type transmission suspected.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Sutton:

The nurse that has tested positive was working at Epping Private Hospital was only caring for the already positive Covid cases. (Presumably caught in from them). Not with any non-positive patients. They were working in the Covid Ward there.
She may have been infectious on one of her shifts.

 

[Lynda2475]

But the point is they found it at the origin - not out in the community as what happened in Melbourne.

We dont know that HQ was the origin given they were also on the same flight (so infection could have happened at the departure airport or on the plane) and also took the same bus.

Been in quarantine the whole time and at 11 days since diagnosis not likely to be much of threat now.

 

[jase05]

Case in Bondi apparently

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Case in Bondi apparently

minutes ago

By Nicholas McElroy​

KEY EVENT​

A new locally acquired case of COVID-19 is detected in Sydney​

A locally acquired case of COVID-19 has been detected in Sydney.​

NSW Health is expected to release more information shortly.​

NSW COVID update: Bondi Junction visits​

The ABC understands the new case in NSW is a man who visited the Bondi Junction shopping centre in the city’s east a number of times in recent days.​

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I wonder may relate to what I mentioned last night on the slowness to act on a possible breach that should of been flagged on about the 7th but which seemingly was not investigated till the 15th?:

So last last of the three was found to be positive on 5th June .​

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Genomic sequencing back say on the 7th?​

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Today is the 15th. If the release is accurate in it being "are being contacted " as opposed to "were contacted" then on the surface it would seem like a bit of a lag in chasing up those who left HQ.​

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And what NSW Health revealed today:



as those travellers may have been out and about for up to a fortnight. Even if they were positive may have recovered (so would now test negative) and so would also need serology tests now, and not just PCR tests.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Another Bondi update:



Now just to find out if he is part of the 80% who do not infect, or the 20% who are more likely to.

And which outbreak they are linked to, or whether it is an entirely new outbreak.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Another update from NSW Health:

Confirmed as a transport driver including of international flight crew. On first glance it would appear to be a different breach than the possible one. flagged yesterday.

One point of interest will be whether as a transport driver he had been vaccinated or not, and if vaccinated when. Hopefully he will have been as that should then have made him less likely to have been able infect another person.

 

[jakeseven7]

Again unsurprising another breach, having seen those buses I’m sure more are on the way too

 

[Lynda2475]

On first glance it would appear to be a different breach than the possible one. flagged yesterday

They are entirely unrelated. Air crew have a dedicated hotel near the airport, they do not stay at the HQ hotels in the city.

There was no delay wrt to the "possible" hotel cases (just as likely picked up in the airport lounge before the flight, on the flight or on the bus), as soon as the first passenger tested positive they were moved to a health hotel, as was the second passenger when they tested positive a few days later on the next round of testing.

These cases were originally reported in overseas acquired numbers, but NSW routinely does genomic sequencing on all cases and as those results only became available last night, it was announced as a possible HQ case over night. They put a rush on genomic sequencing for community cases, but not for suspected overseas acquired.

WRT asking other passengers on that original floor at the same time to test and iso until results, well they tend to have large groups arriving/departing on the same day, so do not necessarily have new arrivals and departures every day on the same floor. So they only need to contact those who were on that floor from 2-5 June if they completed 14 days before yesterday. Anyone who also arrived on 2nd as these passengers did would have been in HQ until today anyway.

 

[jase05]

Looks like the Bondi guy saw a movie and loves cafes


NSW Health has identified a Sunday screening of the Hitman’s Wife’s Bodyguard at Cinema 1 in Events Cinema, Bondi Junction, as a close contact venue.


Anyone who attended the venue must contact NSW Health, seek testing and self-isolate for a full fortnight, regardless of the result.


Belle Cafe in Vaucluse on June 11 between 9.15am-9.50am, on June 12 between 10.20am-10.45am and between 1.20pm-1.50pm, on June 13 between 11.30am-12pm and on June 15 between 9.50am-10.25am.


Sourdough Bakery in Bondi Junction on June 11 between 12.40pm-1.10pm.


David Jones in Bondi Junction on June 12 between 11am-11.40am.


Myer Bondi in Bondi Junction on June 12 between 11.40am-12.15pm.


Washoku Vaucluse on June 12 between 12pm-1.30pm.


Events Cinema (all screenings other than the Hitman’s Wife’s Bodyguard) on June 13 between 1.30pm-4pm.


Rocco’s in Vaucluse on June 14 between 10.55am-11.30am.


Celeste Catering Macquarie Park Cemetery Cafe in North Ryde on June 15 between 1pm-1.20pm.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

So they only need to contact those who were on that floor from 2-5 June if they completed 14 days before yesterday. Anyone who also arrived on 2nd as these passengers did would have been in HQ until today anyway.

If you go and read the 15th June Press Release from NSW Health, which was the press release that I was commenting on, you will note that:



and so I was talking about the retuned travellers from 1-5 June who were subsequently released.


As for a case testing positive on Day 4 assuming that they definitely did not catch it within Australia would not seem to not be that prudent, as it is within the range where it may or may not have. Moreseo when you know that two positive cases had been in the room next door. Should that not be a flag in itself that the case may have been local transmission given the number of transmission cases that have occurred within HQ in Australia, and kicked off an investigation at that time? Or at least had them check the genomic sequencing as an initial step?

 

[openseat]

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Sutton:

Of the Kings Park cases none have had any direct interaction that they can recall with another of the Kings Park cases (unless in the same household), nor have they been linked by attending another common location (ie store) at the same time.

ie Fleeting type transmission suspected.

I was thinking it might have been through the sewer pipes as I think happened in Hong Kong in the earlier part of the pandemic.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

I was thinking it might have been through the sewer pipes as I think happened in Hong Kong in the earlier part of the pandemic.

I assume you mean the Amoy Gardens March 2003 outbreak of SARSs that I have referred to previously.

Environmental transmission of SARS at Amoy Gardens - PubMed

Recent investigations into the March 2003 outbreak of SARS in Hong Kong have concluded that environmental factors played an important role in the transmission of the disease. These studies have focused on a particular outbreak event, the rapid spread of SARS throughout Amoy Gardens, a large...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

So extremely unlikely in this complex. Or at least in the manner that occurred at Amoy.


Though having said that it would be interesting to know the proximity of each apartment in this cluster. I suspect for privacy reasons it may not be released. Though I think it has been indicated that they were not close neighbours.

 

[Lynda2475]

Bathroom and laundry extraction fans often share common ducting.

Could also be fomite transmission if a person coughed into their hands and then touched common property i.e railing on stairs or access door to the common underground carpark, gym door, gate into garden, garbage bin lid etc.

 

[openseat]

I assume you mean the Amoy Gardens March 2003 outbreak of SARSs that I have referred to previously.

Environmental transmission of SARS at Amoy Gardens - PubMed

Recent investigations into the March 2003 outbreak of SARS in Hong Kong have concluded that environmental factors played an important role in the transmission of the disease. These studies have focused on a particular outbreak event, the rapid spread of SARS throughout Amoy Gardens, a large...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

So extremely unlikely in this complex. Or at least in the manner that occurred at Amoy.


Though having said that it would be interesting to know the proximity of each apartment in this cluster. I suspect for privacy reasons it may not be released. Though I think it has been indicated that they were not close neighbours.

No.

I meant this, as reported by CNN

How can the coronavirus spread through bathroom pipes?

Hong Kong health officials are investigating whether an unsealed pipe could have led to the coronavirus spreading through an apartment building's bathroom ventilation system. If that's the case, how does it work?

edition.cnn.com

 

[lovetravellingoz]

No.

I meant this, as reported by CNN

How can the coronavirus spread through bathroom pipes?

Hong Kong health officials are investigating whether an unsealed pipe could have led to the coronavirus spreading through an apartment building's bathroom ventilation system. If that's the case, how does it work?

edition.cnn.com

In theory yes, but I would note:

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• The CHO allowed people choose whether to be quarantine in their own home or not, though they encouraged them to enter HQ.
• So far at least there has been no mention of these households all being clustered tightly together, or of having been immediate neighbours. If there had of been I would have expected the CHO to have directed them to HQ, and to not have allowed them to stay

So I would assume from that that the initial assessment that Weimar said had been made, had deemed the apartments not be likely to have been of high risk. Though yes a proper study would take time



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I would also note that your example was a high rise tower (like Amoy Gardens). So a relatively narrow floorplan with many apartments sharing the one riser.

Whereas with this complex it is quite a spread out building low rise building with a very large footprint(see below), and so that means that there would have been numerous service connections and not jus one shared one.

If not sharing the same riser the odds of an outbreak from a faulty riser would decrease dramatically.

Again the CHO will know if they were sharing a service or not, or if they were adjacent.

 

[bcworld]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1405131315364581381

 

[Seat0B]

Agreed, but can you imagine the permutations and combinations of what people would want! Yes to marmite, no to vegemite; I want 0% milk not skim, I'm vegan, low carb / no carb / no nut products / halal / gluten free / pepsi not coke .... hubby will only eat plain white bread, butter not margarine etc etc etc; no scent toiletries. Hey, the kids eat like there is no tomorrow - burgers and chips mostly but only with chicken salt ... Where's my Foxtel and by the way, the wi-fi is way too slow.

One virtue of hotel quarantine is that the vast majority of people (I think ... or seem to ...) accept that its a hotel, and whats on the menu (or whatever) and whats in the bathroom is what is available - most do the main dietery requirements. But if its the government building and operating a dedicated quarantine facility, then whoa! they better gimme just what I want!

I dare say anything that can cook, above a microwave, would eventually lead to smoke and then to evacuations of the cabin and probably adjacent ones - not great in quarantine facilities.

Lets face it, the more options the government gives people, the more they will still try to game the system, complain that its not eactly what they want and/or screw things up. I'm sure one of the 'advantages' of HQ is that its a box, full of smaller boxes, with the people in them, in a setting that they would be familiar with (just for much longer than usual ...). I think in a detention quarantine 'camp' situation, the time to people getting onto roofs and/or setting something alight to protest the conditions would be a matter of days. You only need one in a few hundred ...

Can’t really disagree with you, but i feel that when you are paying for quarantine, you should be able to eat white bread with real butter if you want to.

 

[Seat0B]

SAFEWA BOMBSHELL: Police used data in murder probe

West Australian police obtained coronavirus contact tracing data to assist a murder investigation, it has been revealed.

www.perthnow.com.au

Unbelievable. COVID check ins should be for one purpose and one purpose only.

Truly appalling over reach.