Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[drron]

Now I have a long memory and I well remember the NSW Premier Robert Askin saying if you are going to have a Royal commission first pick your judge.

I don't think things have changed much.Occasionally though they do pick the wrong judge.

 

[jakeseven7]

Maybe, maybe not. I think Australia’s contact tracing and suppression is at a different level to Europe’s. This was a interesting article

NSW had the ingredients for a second wave, but two key differences changed everything

NSW has been described as the "gold standard" of living with coronavirus. This is how authorities have managed to keep business open, and infections low in Australia's most populous state.

www.abc.net.au

There is a degree of luck with NSW as well and its very clear they know that from the way Gladys talks, because she knows any day that luck could turn, 2 quick super spreader events in succession for example and they will have to move to restrictions while they catch up again. Lets hope for all our sakes they keep a lid on it so the premiers can't keep using it as a weapon against NSW....

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Victoria’s 14 days averages

Today's daily average case number for metropolitan Melbourne is 78.6 and regional Victoria is 4.9.

The daily average case number is calculated by averaging out the number of new cases over the past 14 days.

Also SA and WA have 1 new case each, both in quarantine

Edit: I’m guessing tomorrow someone will ask when the last mystery case occurred in Regional Victoria.

 

[Pushka]

Victoria’s 14 days averages

Today's daily average case number for metropolitan Melbourne is 78.6 and regional Victoria is 4.9.

The daily average case number is calculated by averaging out the number of new cases over the past 14 days.

Also SA and WA have 1 new case each, both in quarantine

Edit: I’m guessing tomorrow someone will ask when the last mystery case occurred in Regional Victoria.

Interestingly, SA is not adding the woman in quarantine to our tally and is standing by the zero active cases in SA. The dialogue is changing. And this is one I agree with.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Interestingly, SA is not adding the woman in quarantine to our tally and is standing by the zero active cases in SA. The dialogue is changing. And this is one I agree with.

I think the case will ultimately be heading to NSW once her quarantine is up. So I guess it’s NSW’s active case??

Edit: just read the media statement. It’s an old infection and she is not infectious.

 

[Pushka]

I think the case will ultimately be heading to NSW once her quarantine is up. So I guess it’s NSW’s active case??

Edit: just read the media statement. It’s an old infection and she is not infectious.

Havent read the media statement but she arrived Sunday, tested positive Monday and now in quarantine for 10 days. But not considered infectious? Too weird for me. Rules are all over the place. Likely means she was infectious on the plane then.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Aviation investigations are done by experts - experts on running investigations and experts in the subject matter. Not by judges and lawyers. The latter mainly come in when it comes to who will pay compensation to the victims, but they often don't have a big role in identifying rectifications and improvements.

That's right. Certain technical investigations are done by people with those technical skills, such as aviation. But for things like royal commissions into aged care, we are looking at the decision making process and actions arising from those decisions. The 'experts' in that context are going to be independent fellow decision makers, for example judges, senior bureaucrats or other panels.

But even for aviation, depending on the country, not all investigations are led by the relevant accident authority. in some countries it is treated first as a potential criminal investigation, perhaps under the jurisdiction of the police.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Sydney’s Concord Hospital closed to visitors for 3 days - Wednesday to Friday inclusive.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Victorian Roadmap to recovery: tracking triggers as of 4.00pm 8th Sept.

 

[get me outta here]

I see the 2 ABC / Fin Review journos catching a Murrays bus after flying from Beijing. I thought they would go into quarantine in Sydney.

 

[Mrsfefe]

As reported by ABC,

NSW Health's Jeremy McAnulty said the student was a boarder.

"All boarders and staff in the boarding area have been identified as close contacts," he said.

"Boarding operations at the school have been suspended, and students are isolating at home with their families."

So all borders are close contacts, ie at high risk of contracting the virus. So they have all been sent back home to their families, scattered throughout the state, to isolate on their best behaviour for two weeks.

What could go wrong? Ruby Princess anyone ?

 

[MEL_Traveller]

The architect of NZ's covid response has endorsed Victoria's 'slow and steady' approach. Taiwan was specifically mentioned as being successful in its elimination strategy, with elimination being the best for the economy in the long term.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

The architect of NZ's covid response has endorsed Victoria's 'slow and steady' approach. Taiwan was specifically mentioned as being successful in its elimination strategy, with elimination being the best for the economy in the long term.

I’m not sure that endorsement helps with the perception that Vic’s roadmap is too conservative when Australia is going for suppression and not elimination, albeit zero community (unknown source) transmission

 

[dajop]

That's right. Certain technical investigations are done by people with those technical skills, such as aviation. But for things like royal commissions into aged care, we are looking at the decision making process and actions arising from those decisions. The 'experts' in that context are going to be independent fellow decision makers, for example judges, senior bureaucrats or other panels.

I'm not totally convinced that judges etc are necessarily the right ones to reach the right conclusions, but you may have a point. The trouble in the legal system is essentially set up to be adversarial and attribute blame.

What concerns me is that when you have safety breaches, and lets face it this was the mother of all safety breaches, there is specific expertise that aims to look deeply into all the cultural, management, procedural, policy, environmental and external settings that contributed to that safety breach and in the short term identify learnings and immediate actions, and in the medium term identify all of the contributing factors and those that are most critical to address. There's specific expertise used to get to root causes (although in a workplace setting pressure from management can sometime prevent getting to these).

Also, in my experience in conducting investigations, it's not the formal investigations that bring out all the information, sometimes the informal conversations you have over coffee or in the back of a taxi that elicit really useful, honest information. Let's not kid ourselves that anyone appearing before a live streamed judicial inquiry is not well prepped to do so. There is honesty, I am sure, but stage managed honesty will be a feature of these testimonies.

 

[andye]

As reported by ABC,

NSW Health's Jeremy McAnulty said the student was a boarder.

"All boarders and staff in the boarding area have been identified as close contacts," he said.

"Boarding operations at the school have been suspended, and students are isolating at home with their families."

So all borders are close contacts, ie at high risk of contracting the virus. So they have all been sent back home to their families, scattered throughout the state, to isolate on their best behaviour for two weeks.

What could go wrong? Ruby Princess anyone ?

I dare say the communication of responsibilities and the follow up will be considerably more robust
These are children -are you suggesting they should be locked up away from their families when there is a viable alternative?

 

[andye]

The architect of NZ's covid response has endorsed Victoria's 'slow and steady' approach. Taiwan was specifically mentioned as being successful in its elimination strategy, with elimination being the best for the economy in the long term.

Perhaps the states with closed borders will turn down any GST-redistribution from states that are following a less-economically sensible strategy?

 

[Pushka]

The architect of NZ's covid response has endorsed Victoria's 'slow and steady' approach. Taiwan was specifically mentioned as being successful in its elimination strategy, with elimination being the best for the economy in the long term.

Well of course they would. They shut NZ down.

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Perhaps the states with closed borders will turn down any GST-redistribution from states that are following a less-economically sensible strategy?

With WA being a major contributor thats a very slippery slope.

 

[Princess Fiona]

I dare say the communication of responsibilities and the follow up will be considerably more robust
These are children -are you suggesting they should be locked up away from their families when there is a viable alternative?

As reported by ABC,

NSW Health's Jeremy McAnulty said the student was a boarder.

"All boarders and staff in the boarding area have been identified as close contacts," he said.

"Boarding operations at the school have been suspended, and students are isolating at home with their families."

So all borders are close contacts, ie at high risk of contracting the virus. So they have all been sent back home to their families, scattered throughout the state, to isolate on their best behaviour for two weeks.

What could go wrong? Ruby Princess anyone ?

I was just going to type exactly this @andye but you have done it for me.
As a parent of two girls at boarding school in Sydney we have been actively involved and witnessed the extraordinary lengths and procedures that have been implemented for boarding schools for Covid-19. They do everything possible to minimize the risk of transmission. The girls are in year group “families”. Meals are completely different, social distancing is everywhere.
You can’t seriously be asking the boarding schools to keep all the pupils isolated in them and not at home with their family?

 

[andye]

With WA being a major contributor thats a very slippery slope.

I didn't say a closed inbound border should stop $ going out

 

[drron]

The architect of NZ's covid response has endorsed Victoria's 'slow and steady' approach. Taiwan was specifically mentioned as being successful in its elimination strategy, with elimination being the best for the economy in the long term.

Except that Taiwan hasn't eliminated the virus.sure only 495 positive cases for all of this year.but they have had 7 this month.It is still bubbling away but with social distancing,gold standard contact tracing and enforced isolation it has been contained very well.

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And unlike NZ and Melbourne they have not had a hard lockdown with restaurants remaining open along with schools.In the first quarter this year GDP rose 1.52% and in the second quarter fell 0.73%.So anyone comparing NZ or Melbourne experiences with Taiwan is not in the real world.