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Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

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WA will have to announce shortly because technically they should be opening to NSW and VIC now based on their rules too.

I haven't seen any leaks about when they will be fronting the media.... (Less people care about WA, its all been about QLD)
they are on the record stating that 28 days isn't the only metric that will be used (as of this past weekend - one must presume that the 28 day target was never a target, but considered to be an unachievable nirvana)
 

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one must presume that the 28 day target was never a target, but considered to be an unachievable nirvana)

The WA election is still 4 months away, if WA open up fully and there are no repercussions, then the govt will get the backlash of having isolated everyone for an unecessarily long period and pay for it on polling day.

Hard borders were popular for many Queenslanders and are still for WA many residents (mostly those not impacted by directly by their closure) so opening after leveraging the policy for a win is preferable than being shown up ahead of polling day.

Also Qld and WA have the least restrictions, rushed back to pre-covid ways so are more exposed when a case does eventually get back into their community as they seem to have forgotten that physical distancing is needed, arent using QR codes widely etc.
 

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SA. Just one new case of a person in med hotel who is a contact of someone testing positive last week so nothing to see there. No more new cases in the pizza cluster. 30 year old now discharged but one of the original 50 year olds has been admitted.
 

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I wonder how many will plan to travel up to Queensland from the southern states given things can change at a moments notice

Did Qld adopt the recent Tasmanian approach to Sourn Australians already in the state? If not, the more substantial risk would be people planning to travel from Queensland to the southern states, where a sudden border closure could mean 2 weeks quarantine upon returning home.
 

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Did Qld adopt the recent Tasmanian approach to Sourn Australians already in the state? If not, the more substantial risk would be people planning to travel from Queensland to the southern states, where a sudden border closure could mean 2 weeks quarantine upon returning home.
That's probably an accepted risk for travel anywhere in the country at the moment, such is the scale of premier fear over just one case of COVID-19 in most of our states.

The real, more rational fear would be what if the border slams shut and as a resident you have no way to get back in.
 

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The real, more rational fear would be what if the border slams shut and as a resident you have no way to get back in

A worry for SA and WA who have form doing this.

But NSW, ACT and even Queensland have always allowed residents to return (even if it meant 2 weeks qurantine) even when hard borders were in place.

Note sure whether Tas, SA and NT ave ever denied return of their own residents.

If going interstate you can no longer afford to take a real off the grid holiday, you need to lug work laptop and mobile with you so if you find your self in a qurantine hotel you can at least keep earning a crust in the 2 weeks delay home.
 

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Note sure whether Tas, SA and NT ave ever denied return of their own residents.
SA certainly did. When having been in Victoria. They did give 5 I think days warning. For a couple of months I’d say.
Agree with the rest too. SA’s reaction, whether appropriate or not, sent shockwaves and caused other states to react.
 

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Did Qld adopt the recent Tasmanian approach to Sourn Australians already in the state? If not, the more substantial risk would be people planning to travel from Queensland to the southern states, where a sudden border closure could mean 2 weeks quarantine upon returning home.

Plus they required you to leave your vehicle/caravan wherever you happened to be, to travel to a major city (that was a hot spot, even though you were not in one), to fly to another city to do the quarantine. No timescale on getting your vehicles back. This happened to people along the border, and as they were not border residents, they could not get the permit which would have let them cross. All silly.

That's probably an accepted risk for travel anywhere in the country at the moment, such is the scale of premier fear over just one case of COVID-19 in most of our states.

The real, more rational fear would be what if the border slams shut and as a resident you have no way to get back in.

It's a risk, but I certainly wouldn't consider it to be an accepted, or acceptable, risk.

It immediately makes a large percentage of the people sufficiently wary that they will not travel to any extent until the Premiers all settle down. Which isn't likely to happen.

A worry for SA and WA who have form doing this.

But NSW, ACT and even Queensland have always allowed residents to return (even if it meant 2 weeks qurantine) even when hard borders were in place.

It wasn't that easy at all. They arranged a one off convoy for people to travel from Albury/Wodonga to Canberra. Many others remained trapped...
 

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There have been lots of silly domestic decisions, the next national cabinet needs to force a national policy to be agreed and publised. 1 case in any state should not lock out a whole state.

Right now you can reduce risk by flying direct to destination, driving via other states and territories to get to your destination adds risk of having to navigate more jurisdictions. It might be against AFF norm of maximisng points, but i try to avoid unecessary transfers/connections and fly direct wherever possible and definitely wouldnt consider otherwise now.

WA , Qld, Tas and NT have form in changing rules with no notice whilst people are in the air, way too risky to contemplate travelling there anytime soon until transparent rules are published. At least NSW and ACT gave 2 day notice of Vic border closure, so no one landed from a domestic flight from Vic to find they had to turn around and go home or into hotel qurantine because the rules changed while they were in the air.

If you want to go caravaning, in 2020 its safest to stay within your own state, so you can always get both your self and vehicels home.
 

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WA , Qld, Tas and NT have form in changing rules with no notice whilst people are in the air, way too risky to contemplate travelling there anytime soon until transparent rules are published.

I agree with the risk in travelling to Tas, but to be fair, I don't think they've made decisions while people are in the air. For the SA banishment recently, the Premier even made an announcement in the morning, warning that restrictions were possible in the afternoon, and advised those on the afternoon flight from Adelaide to reconsider their travel. They waived the hotel quarantine fee due to the short notice.

ALTHOUGH people already in the state (recently arrived from SA) were required to quarantine - which is probably worse than being caught in the air!! :mad:
 
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We now have a urgent investigation in SA as the two latest cases have tested positive to the same strain of the virus as the Parafield cluster despite being confined to a different hotel
 

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We now have a urgent investigation in SA as the two latest cases have tested positive to the same strain of the virus as the Parafield cluster despite being confined to a different hotel
That's curious as that original strain came from the UK. So why is it assumed they didn't likewise bring that strain with them from wherever they came? Why do they jump to the worst case scenario and spook everyone and not look for the obvious, unless I am missing something here? And they are in Peppers so same medi hotel. According to Adelaidenow anyway.
 
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I think the Federal govt now needs to step in with financial penalties if the states do not adhere to National Cabinet agreements/decrees. Its time for the feds to start running policy.
 
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I think the Federal govt now needs to step in with financial penalties if the states do not adhere to National Cabinet agreements/decrees. Its time for the feds to start running policy.

I think you’ll indirectly get your wish. With no Jobkeeper to fall back on from March, closing tourism oriented industries will put thousands out of work immediately in any state that tries it on.
 
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I think the Federal govt now needs to step in with financial penalties if the states do not adhere to National Cabinet agreements/decrees. Its time for the feds to start running policy.
It’s actually the states who have legal authority on such matters, not the federal Government. Plus such penalties would have to be passed by the parliament, not just a unilateral decision by the executive government. Doubt it would pass.
 
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It’s actually the states who have legal authority on such matters, not the federal Government. Plus such penalties would have to be passed by the parliament, not just a unilateral decision by the executive government. Doubt it would pass.
Only during times of threatened health risks. We are past that now as states manage outbreaks and not panic.
 
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I’ve yet to catch up on the last million pages but question... apart from cases seeded from Victoria have any cases been exported to other states/territories? Let’s exclude early pandemic eg Ruby Princess and the likes. I don’t recall any.
 
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It’s actually the states who have legal authority on such matters, not the federal Government. Plus such penalties would have to be passed by the parliament, not just a unilateral decision by the executive government. Doubt it would pass.

My impression was that agreement has been reached at National Cabinet between the Feds and states and then the states go and do their own thing. That needs to stop.
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I think you’ll indirectly get your wish. With no Jobkeeper to fall back on from March, closing tourism oriented industries will put thousands out of work immediately in any state that tries it on.

True but not what I was thinking.
 
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