Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Australia down to under 100 active local cases - I missed the milestone two or three days ago.

Now NSW is the backmarker with about 50. Vic about 30.

 

[jakeseven7]

And importantly all 3 have been in isolation.

I do wonder whether in Syd/Mel we should have some form of Green/Orange/Red zones around outbreaks.

Eg. In a red zone - restaurants, gyms, indoor play centres close for 2wks, and masks compulsory.

Personally I think masks should be compulsory indoors everywhere across Australia (where you can't get away from others) and I wear mine up here in Brisbane shopping for example because no one is social distancing here whatsoever. But I'm sure I'd be yelled down for suggesting that!

 

[Flying mermaid]

And NSW opening to Vic - that has to be good news

 

[Lynda2475]

And NSW opening to Vic - that has to be good news

As predicted NSW (the last state to close border to Vic) would be the first to publish a reopen date to Vic in full.

Of course who could have predicted back in July that NSW would be open to Vic weeks before Qld will be open to Sydney residents. Of course good news for Vic who shoudl pick up some tourists who might have otherwise headed to Qld.

 

[Seat0B]

As predicted NSW (the last state to close border to Vic) would be the first to publish a reopen date to Vic in full.

Of course who could have predicted back in July that NSW would be open to Vic weeks before Qld will be open to Sydney residents. Of course good news for Vic who shoudl pick up some tourists who might have otherwise headed to Qld.

And probably this will be used as yet another excuse to keep Sydney locked out of QLD, based on past decisions. I agree with all those who have identified that it is likely to be a much better holiday plan to visit NSW North, Mid, Central or South coasts for a beach holiday this year.

 

[33kft]

Of course who could have predicted back in July that NSW would be open to Vic weeks before Qld will be open to Sydney residents. Of course good news for Vic who shoudl pick up some tourists who might have otherwise headed to Qld.

And vice versa. I've got my wallet ready to head up north to NSW. 5 weeks of leave, 3 flight credits (2 were intl bookings) and a few months of isolation to shake off. If nothing drastic changes before then, VIC will have demonstrated a significant amount of time without significant spread of the virus by then, and we'll all be able to enjoy some COVID-safe travel. I'm looking forward to it.

 

[jakeseven7]

And probably this will be used as yet another excuse to keep Sydney locked out of QLD, based on past decisions. I agree with all those who have identified that it is likely to be a much better holiday plan to visit NSW North, Mid, Central or South coasts for a beach holiday this year.

Wonder if QF will launch MEL-Byron flights..... They could probably fill a 717 a few days a week....

 

[33kft]

And probably this will be used as yet another excuse to keep Sydney locked out of QLD, based on past decisions

If not this, then what? The fear of domestic travel is what is taking them out of the game - if NSW start dithering on the fear of what some other state fears rather than hard numbers and safe coexistence with this thing then we may as well all just head back indoors again and lock it down. What's the point otherwise? To get a virus down to manageable levels just to let people argue over what ifs?

NSW have done an amazing job. The east coast minus QLD are now finally set up to take it from here and crank things back up again. QLD can do their thing, it's their call. The whole NSW vs QLD border skirmish won't matter soon when it's hardly a topic of discussion after NSW, ACT, VIC, SA, NT and TAS move towards resumption of normal life, managing the risk with the tools that have been learned so far.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Now with Vic’s active case less than NSW and Vic being about the same local cases and mystery cases these past 2 weeks, you would be in a reasonable position to argue Vic is now no longer the backmarker. (Vic 24 and 2 v NSW 15 and 1 for the past fortnight period)

 

[blackcat20]

Wonder if QF will launch MEL-Byron flights..... They could probably fill a 717 a few days a week....

Wouldn't that be nice...at the moment we're eyeing off JQ for the direct option because toddler

 

[RAM]

Now with Vic’s active case less than NSW and Vic being about the same local cases and mystery cases these past 2 weeks, you would be in a reasonable position to argue Vic is now no longer the backmarker. (Vic 24 and 2 v NSW 15 and 1 for the past fortnight period)

The active cases would be much better reported as Active - domestic & Active - hotel quarantine = which IMHO is much more relevant.

On that basis then the NSW number would be (at a guess) about 2/3rds Active - Hotel, 1/3rd domestic (currently). Depending on how a certain restaurant's bloddy mindedness & NSW's hesitation to enforce mandatory sign-in procedures turn-out.

Find it hard to believe that mandatory Q-code scanning will only be required from Nov 23rd in NSW.

 

[jakeseven7]

Find it hard to believe that mandatory Q-code scanning will only be required from Nov 23rd in NSW.

Agree, VIC is piloting theirs in a few days then rolling out. Wonder why NSW waited so long...

Again though, would have been so much better if we had a national one, but you know, too much common sense.....

 

[Lynda2475]

Find it hard to believe that mandatory Q-code scanning will only be required from Nov 23rd in NSW.

Agree, VIC is piloting theirs in a few days then rolling out. Wonder why NSW waited so long...

Just to clarify Service NSW rolled out free QR code solution in August and most quality hospitality venues have had a QR code system (from alternative suppliers) in place since April. It has been madatory for all hospitality venues to collect all dine in patrons details, since they reopened to dine in months ago, its just the lazy ones have been using manual solutions (pen and paper or club membership) or failing to police it and will have to move to an QR online solution before end of the month.

NSW didnt mandate use of their app as many venues had spent $ to implement QR systems months earlier, so they are allowed to continue to use those.

Vic is tracking well behind NSW and ACT on the QR code implmentation, and really shoudl have had their app ready to launch before easing the lock down.

They really need to force supermarkets to have QR codes too - many families treat grocery shoping as a social event and spend way longer in COles or Woolies than they do grabbing a cofffee at their local cafe.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

The active cases would be much better reported as Active - domestic & Active - hotel quarantine = which IMHO is much more relevant.

On that basis then the NSW number would be (at a guess) about 2/3rds Active - Hotel, 1/3rd domestic (currently). Depending on how a certain restaurant's bloddy mindedness & NSW's hesitation to enforce mandatory sign-in procedures turn-out.

Find it hard to believe that mandatory Q-code scanning will only be required from Nov 23rd in NSW.

I was reviewing where NSW active figure comes from and it seems it’s anything four weeks or less.

From the following report, it looks like all 50 (about) are local cases not international quarantine.

COVID-19 (Coronavirus) - Locally acquired COVID-19 cases and tests in the last four weeks - up to 8pm 10 August 2021

The location of residence by Local Government Area (LGA) or local health district (LHD) of locally acquired COVID-19 cases in the last four weeks.

www.health.nsw.gov.au

Note they are reporting against local tests conducted as well

The two week number is clearer classifying against the local transmission in the next link

COVID-19 (Coronavirus) - NSW COVID-19 case statistics - up to 8pm 3 November 2020

Sources of COVID-19 diagnosed in NSW in last 24 hours, last 7 days and to date.

www.health.nsw.gov.au

 

[drron]

And probably this will be used as yet another excuse to keep Sydney locked out of QLD, based on past decisions. I agree with all those who have identified that it is likely to be a much better holiday plan to visit NSW North, Mid, Central or South coasts for a beach holiday this year.

Though Joe public probably thinks differently to AFFers.Way more NSW cars today on the Sunshine Coast than there have been.Hopefully all from the regional areas.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

yes and that Security Guard then worked while positive at other locations including a shopping centre.

Plus I think interstate that even the police were in one case shown to have done the wrong thing. And an ADF Member while quarantining had a female guest stay overnight.

NZ has had multiple breaches.

Plus in Vic.

• 3 quarantine leaks
• 1 virtually no cases
• 1 a small number of cases
• 1 was the source of most of the second wave (Index case may have been the night manager and not security guards).
  • One reason why this was much larger than the other two was that a super-spreader was involved early on
  • Another reason was that unlike the first wave it was into quite different demographics than before -Many of these clusters were then linked to large families living in crowded conditions =much larger R0.
  • Compounding this was that many were also in low paid jobs with no paid sick leave and / or more distrust in authorities. So less people present for testing, or if tested actually isolate.
  • Then with growing cases contact tracing got overwhelmed. Was not up to scratch, but even good systems cannot handled that many cases per day (ie Think about the number of people involved for third ring around 700 new daily caes).

In addition as I posted a while back while many are concerned with the hiring of security guards, they have worked in all jurisdictions, the bigger problem for mine was that no one person/organisation seemed to be managing and was responsible for the whole hotel quarantine process. Without that central responsibility/management things fall through the cracks such as infection control, PPE training etc etc.

That is not to say that the way the Security Contracts were not done poorly as they were badly done in multiple ways, but rather it was only one of a number of issues some of which were chance. Some were bad management by the Vic Gov. Some was the public not doing the right thing for a number of reasons (and pleasingly there are now many responses in place to mitigate such behaviours).

And NZ have had another two workers in hotel quarantine test positive.

Which reinforces that the sheeting home of all of the Victorian second wave cases to the security guard contract issue is not really a valid argument. If you have infected people then the staff looking after them whether it be in quarantine, or in hospitals etc, may from time to time get infected. Morseo if things are not run adequately., but even in well run facilities/hospitals breaches can happen.

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That is not to say that the way the Security Contracts were not done poorly as they were badly done in multiple ways, but rather it was only one of a number of issues some of which were chance. Some were bad management by the Vic Gov. Some was the public not doing the right thing for a number of reasons (and pleasingly there are now many responses in place to mitigate such behaviours).

 

[Flashback]

Wouldn't that be nice...at the moment we're eyeing off JQ for the direct option because toddler

Don't worry, it happens to the best of us. Friends don't let friends fly Jetstar.

 

[Pushka]

Don't worry, it happens to the best of us. Friends don't let friends fly Jetstar.

Hey. After Australia's Covid travel ban, even Jetstar is good!

 

[drron]

Don't worry, it happens to the best of us. Friends don't let friends fly Jetstar.

However given the choice I chose Jetstar to come home.
Easy really if I chose QF or VA would have come via Melbourne and would have to quarantine.And likely in a hotel without mrsdrron.

 

[lovetravellingoz]