Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[Flying mermaid]

ACT must be feeling confident - they are easing more restrictions from Monday.

 

[RAM]

Unfortunately, there seems to be a woeful lack of lateral thinking in our leaders, whether it is dealing with border issues in such a way that is costing a huge amount of resources to police, or inability to effectively segregate those testing positive for COVID-19, maybe they need some independent people from the community to throw rocks at their ideas and get them out from their bubble. Maybe all sorts of things have been discussed and discounted or out in the too hard basket, but I’m sensing everyone in charge is just too close to the problem.

I think you credit them with too much common sense and that they do not act in self-interest in advance of the community interest.

So many decisions seem highly correlated with the level of political donations received.

Such as from clubs & pubs in NSW (for example), gambling venues - Crown Casino could stay open whilst cafes/restaurants couldn't the first time around in VIC...

 

[RAM]

I have no idea why, but the positivity rate (and hence number of cases) in Vic jumps every third day at present. But it means we can put the bed the theory by one person that Dan had rigged the figures on one day just so that the Vic Gov could announce stricter restrictions.

It could be random, or it could be something to do with how tests are processed. Who knows?

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Well you know Aunt Karen is so busy, she can only get into work every 3rd day....

Stranger things have been known to happen.

Or perhaps some bureaucrat only processes results from private sector labs every 3rd day....

Yes the 3rd day pattern is a weird one.

You certainly see patterns in some overseas countries/states . ie Sweden.

There seems to be a 5 day working week influence in many (not all) of the European countries' figures. Have not seen anything written explaining whether it is due to Govt run labs only working 5 days, or some testing centres only open 5 days (possible if CBD locations perhaps). Who knows but the French figures early on had close yo a 60% drop in tests conducted & +ve cases on days 6 & 7.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Well you know Aunt Karen is so busy, she can only get into work every 3rd day....

Stranger things have been known to happen.

Or perhaps some bureaucrat only processes results from private sector labs every 3rd day....

Yes the 3rd day pattern is a weird one.

You certainly see patterns in some overseas countries/states . ie Sweden.

 

[RAM]

Serious health problems in 30s are uncommon enough that it can be quite difficult to maintain confidentiality if any details are given (even without any journalistic digging that might follow from a case like this)

Spot on, can be any number of reasons the family don't want details known - and that's their right. Saying not a medical person I suspect was to ENSURE that relatives/friends of earlier reported young medical person did not get the wrong idea about the identity.

...and an amazing number of 'healthy under 40s' die suddenly each year - literally dropping dead.

Quite often several weeks after having a gentle bout with the 'flu. Unbeknown to most - types of virus can cause immense (mostly temporary) damage to your heart.

I knew a super fit & fast 28yr old runner who died in the City to Surf, slowly jogging along with his '1st time' running girlfriend at the back of the pack. Had got over the flu a little over a week earlier following a couple of days of symptoms.

Then (stupidly of sorts) some years later I did the Sydney 2000 practise marathon 2 weeks or so after the 'flu. However, I wore a heart rate monitor. Prior to the flu I was looking at a just sub 3 hour time. Started out slowly to let the crowd thin out a bit & not risk an ankle tap. After 5 minutes I decided to increase pace slightly by about 1 minute/km. HR at the time was around 130-135bpm, within seconds of pushing up my pace the HR had jumped to 185 bpm.

So eased off. Few minutes later tried again & same results. That was enough for me, finished at 3h 55m with not pushing HR > 135bpm.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

ACT must be feeling confident - they are easing more restrictions from Monday.

As you said ACT population seem quite compliant and they are so far without community (unknown source) transmission in the past few weeks.

 

[get me outta here]

I'd say that their higher average intelligence or education tells them that it is a sensible thing to do.

As you said ACT population seem quite compliant and they are so far without community (unknown source) transmission in the past few weeks.

 

[get me outta here]

I wonder what the cost is to supple 'bracelets', go to people' abode assuming they are there and then tag all members of a family/household and monitor them.
Can they be fitted at the the testing station say, turned on from afar? How do they collect them all later? These things may have been considered unless you have heard otherwise?

Why are our leaders not looking at tagging people? Surely that has to be part of the solution instead of this endless quarantining in hotels.

As I've said before the current modus operandi:
- People who might have it = quarantine in hotel
- People who do have it = be a good person and stay at home.

 

[Must...Fly!]

I wonder what the cost is to supple 'bracelets', go to people' abode assuming they are there and then tag all members of a family/household and monitor them.
Can they be fitted at the the testing station say, turned on from afar? How do they collect them all later? These things may have been considered unless you have heard otherwise?

Tagging people?

What sort of dystopian world do you aspire to?

The Germans are an example of a western country that started to tag a subset of the population.

 

[Himeno]

Tagging people?

What sort of dystopian world do you aspire to?

The Germans are an example of a western country that started to tag a subset of the population.

The idea would be to put GPS tracking tags on people who are meant to be in isolation, so you can monitor them and make sure they stay in isolation.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Not sure if noted upthread

NSW is 12 cases reported today

Of the 12 new cases reported to 8pm last night:

• two are still under investigation
• 10 were locally acquired linked to known cases including:
  • one attended the Apollo Restaurant in Potts Point
  • one attended the Mounties club in Mount Pritchard
  • eight are household contacts of known cases.

Confirmed cases to date:

By likely source of infection	Count
Overseas	2,036​
Interstate acquired	83​
Locally acquired – contact of a confirmed case and/or in a known cluster	1,147​
Locally acquired – contact not identified	376​
Under investigation	1​
Total	3,643​

Counts reported for a particular day may vary over time with ongoing enhanced surveillance activities.

So today’s status is up to 16 cases are community transmission (15 unknown source plus 1 under investigation) since before Crossroad emerged. Based on another report all 16 cases are in the last 16 days - on a third report the source of Thai Rock Wetherill Park seems to be oldest unknown source.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

I'd say that their higher average intelligence or education tells them that it is a sensible thing to do.

It could be that that makes them more compliant. It also could be that the ACT does not have too many people compared to elsewhere who are lowly paid with no access to sickleave, or are in sectors that have had massive lay offs.

Unemployment is now highest in Western Australia, at 8.1 per cent, and has climbed to 7.9 per cent in both Queensland and South Australia. In NSW it is at 6.4 per cent while it has reached 6.9 per cent in Victoria. Surprisingly, unemployment fell in the ACT to 4.1 per cent.

 

[get me outta here]

I suspect that unemployment fell a bit in the ACT because there was a sudden need for people to manage the distribution of funds to workers and businesses etc etc.

 

[get me outta here]

I was answering the various people who call for a tagging option so that they can stay home. Nowhere there was I actually aspiring to it I was just pointing out some of the considerations. Be careful what you accuse people of.

Tagging people?

What sort of dystopian world do you aspire to?

The Germans are an example of a western country that started to tag a subset of the population.

 

[dajop]

Tagging people?

What sort of dystopian world do you aspire to?

The Germans are an example of a western country that started to tag a subset of the population.

it could be a choice (a ankle bracelet or even wristband ... and definitely not a permanent tag) ... you can self isolate at home and wear the bracelet for two weeks or you can be locked in a hotel with (hopefully much better trained) security guards and not go outside for two weeks.

 

[jakeseven7]

it could be a choice (a ankle bracelet or even wristband ... and definitely not a permanent tag) ... you can self isolate at home and wear the bracelet for two weeks or you can be locked in a hotel with (hopefully much better trained) security guards and not go outside for two weeks.

I know what I would choose

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Vic healthcare positives breakdown....copied from ABC Covid live blog..... ❤

We've *just* had this breakdown by age group, type and primary workplace sent through.

Victorian Government

Note: "Other Healthcare workers" include aged care or disability workers, pharmacists, dental professionals, paramedics, midwives, pharmacists and other allied health professionals.

 

[dajop]

There seems to be thee distinct parts of Victoria - north/west Melbourne (inc. Mitchell shire) , south/east Melbourne, Regional Vic, plus the hotspots in Casy and Colac. With active cases of 3216, 634, 99, 157 and 47 respectively. Will see what today brings.

10 days on, the comparable numbers of active cases are 5208 (+62%), 1267 (+100%), 380 (+140%), 330 (+110%) and 92 (+96%). So over 10 days, active cases have more than doubled outside the original areas that were most effected.

 

[N860CR]

it could be a choice (a ankle bracelet or even wristband ... and definitely not a permanent tag) ... you can self isolate at home and wear the bracelet for two weeks or you can be locked in a hotel with (hopefully much better trained) security guards and not go outside for two weeks.

Don’t know if I’d call that a choice... I’m not opposed to the idea, but it is the sort of thing that throws the question of civil liberties into the spot light.

It worries me to think how this would have gone had it been Ebola or something more serious that has a high fatality rate.

 

[jakeseven7]

Don’t know if I’d call that a choice... I’m not opposed to the idea, but it is the sort of thing that throws the question of civil liberties into the spot light.

It worries me to think how this would have gone had it been Ebola or something more serious that has a high fatality rate.

People would have taken it much more seriously (as I return home from work walking past a packed bar in Brisbane)