Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

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Problems in nursing homes have been known for years. How can you run a facility with no 24 hour nurse on duty for aged people with multiple problems. And, the kerosene baths etc. The RC should sort this lot out, if anyone takes any notice of it and implements some improvement. Other RCs have outlined terrible problems but the problems still go on.
The NSW govt and the Feds have a lot to answer for after the Ruby Princess.
 
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C'est la vie.

My point was if you are going to lock down Greater Sydney, then why not the whole of NSW? There are many regional LGAs with active cases which are free to go to Queensland, yet Sydney LGAs with no cases cant go.

Looking at the LGAs which have community cases:
  • 11 are in regional areas - Albury ,Blue Mountains, Byron, Camden, coughberland, Eurobodalla, Lake Macquarie, Port Stephens, Shellharbour, Wollondilly, Wollongong
  • 12 are in Greater Sydney (with majority in south west and west of Sydney) - Bayside, Campbelltown, Canterbury-Bankstown, Fairfield, Georges River, Liverpool, Parramatta, Penrith , Sutherland Shire, Sydney, The Hills Shire, Waverley.
Given the numbers there is no case for arguing regional NSW is safer than Greater Sydney, hence AP is being illogical.

Either make all LGAs with active cases hot spots and leave open to residents of other LGAs or close border to the whole state.
 
My point was if you are going to lock down Greater Sydney, then why not the whole of NSW? There are many regional LGAs with active cases which are free to go to Queensland, yet Sydney LGAs with no cases cant go.

Looking at the LGAs which have community cases:
  • 11 are in regional areas - Albury ,Blue Mountains, Byron, Camden, coughberland, Eurobodalla, Lake Macquarie, Port Stephens, Shellharbour, Wollondilly, Wollongong
  • 12 are in Greater Sydney (with majority in south west and west of Sydney) - Bayside, Campbelltown, Canterbury-Bankstown, Fairfield, Georges River, Liverpool, Parramatta, Penrith , Sutherland Shire, Sydney, The Hills Shire, Waverley.
Given the numbers there is no case for arguing regional NSW is safer than Greater Sydney, hence AP is being illogical.

Either make all LGAs with active cases hot spots and leave open to residents of other LGAs or close border to the whole state.
You may well be correct in hindsight I suspect - Qld should just lock down its NSW border completely for non-essential & spot check those coming through with the printed out passes to make sure they're legitimate.

Given the apparent 2 week lag with cases - then the adage "Hope for the best while preparing for the worst" is the best way forward IMHO. All but one of Greater Sydney's health regions have active cases and most have at least one unknown source of infection - very different to the picture 2 weeks ago.

Has anyone noticed how LITTLE is being published/aired about the NT's re-opening internally some months back now? Or Tasmania's? Just hope the NT's domestic border re-opening roughly 2 weeks ago does not see CV cases appearing soon.

Or even NZ more recently - it is as if the 'cone of silence' has descended (google it) for any topic that does not mesh with Scomo's narrative.
 
My wife and I are just back from donating blood. It was running at capacity, and so good to see everyone is still volunteering despite the second wave.

I volunteered to allow one of the trainee Nursing Assistants to practice on me ;)

Everyone including staff wearing masks. On our last visit 6 weeks ago no one was wearing masks.

The food area was still open (I thought it may have been closed) and that was only location that you were allowed to remove your mask.
 
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They flew MEL-SYD then SYD-BNE (both flight were on Virgin), but only declared they had been in Sydney - selfish brats ...
Oh. Virgin, not Qantas? Well, not much chance of any AFFers being on that flight I guess. 🤭
 
Today's Vic DHHS
My bolding

Media release
29 July 2020

Victoria has recorded 295 new cases of coronavirus since yesterday, with the total number of cases now at 9304.
The overall total has increased by 255 due to 40 cases being reclassified – largely due to duplication.

Within Victoria, 34 of the new cases are linked to outbreaks or complex cases and 261 are under investigation.

There have been nine new deaths from COVID-19 reported since yesterday. They were one man in his 60s, one man in his 70s, three men and two women in their 80s and two women in their 90s. Seven of the nine deaths are linked to aged care facilities. To date, 92 people have died from coronavirus in Victoria.

In Victoria at the current time:

  • 1418 cases may indicate community transmission
  • 4839 cases are currently active in Victoria
  • 307 cases of coronavirus are in hospital, including 41 in intensive care
  • 4123 people have recovered from the virus
  • Of the total cases, 8632 cases are from metropolitan Melbourne, while 500 are from regional Victoria
  • Total cases include 4625 men and 4593 women
  • More than 1,554,000 tests have been processed
  • Total number of healthcare workers: 884, active cases: 502
  • There are 804 active cases relating to outbreaks across aged care facilities
Cases currently linked to public housing in North Melbourne, Flemington and Carlton are as follows:
  • 309 cases are residents of various public housing towers in North Melbourne and Flemington. Investigations are continuing into how these cases are linked.
  • 64 cases are residents of various public housing towers in Carlton. Investigations are continuing into if and/or how these cases are linked.
Active aged care outbreaks with the highest coughulative case numbers are as follows:
  • 91 cases have been linked to Estia Aged Care Facility in Ardeer
  • 89 cases have been linked to St Basil’s Home for the Aged in Fawkner
  • 86 cases have been linked to Epping Gardens Aged Care in Epping
  • 79 cases have been linked to Kirkbrae Presbyterian Homes in Kilsyth
  • 62 cases have been linked to Menarock Life Aged Care Facility in Essendon
  • 56 cases have been linked to Estia Aged Care Facility in Heidelberg
  • 54 cases have been linked to Glendale Aged Care Facility in Werribee
  • 51 cases have been linked to BaptCare Wyndham Lodge in Weribee
  • 44 cases have been linked to Outlook Gardens Aged Care Facility in Dandenong North
  • 41 cases have been linked to Arcare Aged Care Facility in Craigieburn
Single cases in staff members at the following aged care facilities have also been notified to the department – Kalyna Aged Care in Delahey, Doutta Galla Lynch’s Bridge in Kensington and Estia Health Aged Care in Glen Waverley. Two cases have also been identified at Mecwacare John Atchison Centre in Hoppers Crossing.

Cases currently linked to key outbreaks are as follows:

  • 100 cases have been linked to Somerville Retail Services in Tottenham
  • 100 cases have been linked to Bertocchi Smallgoods in Thomastown
  • 78 cases have been linked to JBS in Brooklyn
  • 51 cases have been linked to Australian Lamb Company in Colac
  • 29 cases have been linked to Woolworths Distribution Centre Mulgrave
  • 27 cases have been linked to LaManna Supermarket in Essendon Fields
  • 24 cases have been linked to Clever Kids in Ashburton
  • 19 cases have been linked to Respite Services Australia in Moonee Ponds
  • 14 cases have been linked to the Linfox Warehouse in Truganina
  • 10 cases have been linked to Don KR Castlemaine
  • 9 cases have been linked to Blackwoods Scoresby


Also on hopsitals.

Comment> Hospitalisations still rising (note some moved in from nursing homes over the last two days). ICU staying static, but that is probably largely as people have been dying :(

VIC HOSPITALISED
Cases in Hospital
DATEHOSPICUVENT
Thu 23 Jul2014024
Fri 24 Jul20641
Sat 25 Jul22942
Sun 26 Jul2284221
Mon 27 Jul2454423
Tue 28 Jul2604223
Wed 29 Jul30741
 
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New cases in Port Stephens area linked to Thai Rock outbreak

Two more new cases reported in NSW are in the Port Stephens cluster, NSW Health has confirmed.

There have now been at least six cases in the Port Stephens area and that cluster is now linked back to the Thai Rock outbreak in Wetherill Park, in Sydney’s west.

That outbreak grew to 85 after 10 more cases were confirmed as associated with that cluster today

 
Today's Vic DHHS
My bolding

Media release
29 July 2020


VIC HOSPITALISED
Cases in Hospital
DATEHOSPICUVENT
Thu 23 Jul2014024
Fri 24 Jul20641
Sat 25 Jul22942
Sun 26 Jul2284221
Mon 27 Jul2454423
Tue 28 Jul2604223
Wed 29 Jul30741


Those hospitalisations are jumping daily, very sadly better brace ourselves for quite a few funeral notices coming up in the next 2-4 weeks . 😔 A count of one death has to be translated to an impact many times larger (in most cases) of partners, children, grandchildren, in laws, ex workmates, friends, neighbours etc al.

Was interesting listening to Dr Sutton yesterday when he jumped on allegations from reporters (I've seen the similar comments on AFF) regarding contact tracing being overwhelmed. He stated that at least one attempt to make contact and conduct interview with every single new reported contact had been made within 24hours of receiving the contact information. There were several reasons why that was not always successful including such things as refusal to answer the phone (unknown caller), missed calls, poor/illegible hand writing of supplied contact numbers, the lab advising the patient quickly and advising DHHS tardily (or not advising at all), amongst others.
 
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We literally have no hope of stopping the transmission....!

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Church in Sydney hotspot continues to give communion using one spoon and a face cloth


A church in a coronavirus outbreak hotspot in Sydney is continuing to offer communion using the same spoon for each worshipper and one cloth to wipe their mouths.

The Greek Orthodox Archdiocese is resisting pressure from some of its members to discontinue the practice during the COVID-19 crisis.

Concerns have been raised by worshippers about the lax safety measures of a church in Sydney’s west, an area hit by a resurgence of coronavirus cases in the past few weeks.

St Euphemia in Bankstown, a Greek Orthodox Church, has been giving holy communion in a way that seemingly breaches guidelines provided by NSW Health for places of worship.

At a service on Saturday, koinonia – the mixture of bread and wine symbolising the body and blood of Christ – was given to an estimated 70 people from a chalice using a single spoon, with the priest wiping each person’s chin with one cloth afterwards.


 
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Thanks lovetravellingoz for the update.

Has anyone else noticed how virtually ALL of the Aged Care deaths appear to have been in place NOT in a hospital?

The rapid rise in fatalities has not been matched by any noticeable changes in the ICU (nor ventilated subset) numbers.

I know that in NSW there was massive pressure put on the relatives of residents in Newmarsh House to select paliative care only in place of ICU etc. Described to them in terms like, "massively invasive, intrusive and uncomfortable with no guarantee of success" or "No quality of life to go through ICU for them" - which both do have some truth to them but not the way the spin doctors have been representing it to the broader community.

If this is the case then the broader community, yet again, should be informed - perhaps that realisation may prompt some more people to do the right thing when they realise that the Australian Health bureaucracy is effectively writing off anyone over 70 as a lost cause.
 
Thanks lovetravellingoz for the update.

Has anyone else noticed how virtually ALL of the Aged Care deaths appear to have been in place NOT in a hospital?

The rapid rise in fatalities has not been matched by any noticeable changes in the ICU (nor ventilated subset) numbers.

I know that in NSW there was massive pressure put on the relatives of residents in Newmarsh House to select paliative care only in place of ICU etc. Described to them in terms like, "massively invasive, intrusive and uncomfortable with no guarantee of success" or "No quality of life to go through ICU for them" - which both do have some truth to them but not the way the spin doctors have been representing it to the broader community.

If this is the case then the broader community, yet again, should be informed - perhaps that realisation may prompt some more people to do the right thing when they realise that the Australian Health bureaucracy is effectively writing off anyone over 70 as a lost cause.

Guess who you define as bureaucracy and whether what we are being told is correct.

Allegedly the decisions are being made on site at the homes by doctor's (GPs?) and the patient's relatives.

The compounding factor might also be the patients may be asymptomatic at the start or symptoms not unusual to their normal state of health (or lack of mental capacity in some cases to report ill health) and they are too far gone by the time they are correctly diagnosed or they pass before being diagnosed. Proactive testing of everyone in the home may be the only way to change that dynamic.
 
BREAKING: Queensland confirms third new COVID case as community transmission detected


A third case of COVID-19 has been diagnosed in Queensland. It’s understood the case is connected to Chatswood Hills State School cluster in Springwood.

The new case comes after Queensland Health Minister Steven Miles earlier confirmed there had been two other COVID-19 cases overnight.

Both of those cases are 19-year-old women being cared for at the PA Hospital.

It’s understood the new case, a woman, aged in her 20s, is a known close contact of the 19-year-olds.

 
Qld list of places


Here's a list of places Queensland Health knows they went:

Any individuals who were present at the below locations at the relevant times are asked to immediately self-quarantine and contact 13 HEALTH (13 43 25 84).
  • 21 July 2020 — Virgin flights VA863 – Mel — Syd and VA977 – Syd — Bne
  • 22-23 July 2020 (9:30am-6pm) — Parklands Christian College, Park Ridge
  • 23 July 2020 (7-9pm) — Madtongsan IV Restaurant — Sunnybank
  • 23 July 2020 (9:25pm) — Heeretea -Bubble Tea Shop — Sunnybank
  • 23 — 24 July 2020 — YMCA Chatswood Hills Outside School Hours Care — Springwood
  • 23 — 24 July 2020 (3:30-5:30pm) — Primary Medical and Dental Practice — Browns Plains
  • 26 July 2020 (6:30-9:30pm) Thai Peak Restaurant — Springfield
  • 27 July 2020 — Cowch Dessert coughtail Bar — Southbank
  • 27 July 2020 — P'Nut Street Noodles — Southbank
  • 28 July 2020 — African Grocery Shop — Woodridge (Station Rd)
  • 28 July 2020 (12.25pm-12.30pm) — Primary Medical and Dental Practice — Browns Plains
  • 28 July 2020 — Chatime Grand Plaza — Browns Plains

Anyone who has symptoms of COVID-19, even if they are mild, must get tested. A number of Fever Clinic times have been extended:
  • Logan Hospital Fever Clinic — 8am-9pm — Wednesday 29 July-Thursday 30 July
  • QEII Hospital Fever Clinic — 8am — 9pm — Wednesday 29 July-Friday 31 July
  • Parklands Fever Clinic (school community testing) — Closes 7pm tonight. Opens 9am tomorrow
  • Orion Springfield Central Shopping Centre western car park (pop up clinic) — 9am-4pm — Thursday 30 July-Sunday 2 August
 
There are certainly reports of children medical needing care in Victoria as SA doesnt provide it, then being stuck in Victoria when they have been released to go home to SA.

Same for Tasmania, only more I think.

And, the kerosene baths etc.

I’m not disagreeing with what your are saying re nursing homes, but there were no ‘kerosene baths’. Media beat-up.
 
Lets just say the two people maintained their cleaning job. In a lot of places that have people very worried. And that havent been listed yet. And now they've infected their friend 🤬
 
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. I'm referring to the current outbreaks at non-government nursing homes in Victoria where some don't appear from media reports (which may be flawed} that many homes had no PPE, some homes were not or insufficiently prepared at all for an outbreak, some homes where PPE was supplied conducted little or no or insufficient training, some homes where vision is in the media of used PPE lying around on tables and chairs and floors and there is obviously insufficient supervision or monitoring, homes where symptomatic staff who were ill were allowed to come to work and work across multiple sites, or more. These things are all the responsibility & accountability of the administrators of the homes.

It is the responsibility of the Residential Care Facility under the CDNA National Guidelines for the Prevention, Control and Public Health Management of COVID-19 Outbreaks in Residential Care Facilities in Australia, 13 March 2020 (though there may or may not be an updated version of this).

The checklist below is from these Guidelines:

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While my comments the other day were on oversight of Age Care as a whole, as opposed to just Aged Care Health which is but part of Aged Care, if you look just at Aged Care Health the responsibility is spread through Federal, State, Health Services, GPs and the Residential Aged Care Service/ Residential Care Facility as well as individuals . Though some individuals are not capable of making their own decisions. And health care is not just about pandemics. In a pandemic yes the relevant state government does need to step up with various measures, but these are not really meant to include taking over running all functions of the facility, but if need be it will have too.

Residential Aged Care Services/ Residential Care Facilities are required to ensure appropriately skilled nurses and other staff are available to meet the clinical and other care needs of the resident. The Federal Government has oversight of this.

Now all of the above and other matters are not done well enough in many facilities. That is why there is a Royal Commission. It is also why each flu season you normally see many flu outbreaks and deaths in such facilities.

These problems have long been there and this pandemic has just exposed these problems for all to see and the consequences are much worse than with flu outbreaks. Though some homes have had large loss of life in flu outbreaks.

Now there are many excellent facilities, but equally there are many that are not well run.

My personal experience

  • MIL who is a widow has a number of growing and ongoing health issues plus has a having had colon cancer now has a colostomy bag. An environment with 24/7 medical care and good social opportunities was important.
    • We looked around extensively, and the standard of most places was not adequate. Indeed quite a number were downright depressing to visit. It was the first time that I had examined such facilities in detail and what I saw and did not see certainly made me aware of how poor in general many of these facilities are.
    • In the end we found a good match, and most since been happy with them and there care. There performance in past flu outbreaks has been mirrored in their current protocols in the pandemic, which have stepped up several levels. MIL very much enjoys the lifestyle that it provides to her.
  • My daughter as part of her two nursing qualifications had to do many placements. 3 were in aged care. At all of her placements she was scathing, and quite depressed, about the practices there. One was so poor that she lodged an official complaint after her placement. The placements were meant to help educate the student nurses. At two of the placements my daughter's view that the facilities had basically taken them in as free labour with only minimal supervision/training occurring.
  • My eldest brother (now 66) is unfortunately no longer able to make his own decisions and my sister and I have medical power of attorney for him for last 6 years. We agonised over how best to care for him and ruled out any of the RACS, and instead bought a unit for him in a retirement village with some federally funded home care services and also with ongoing visits from my sister and I. With the home care we vetted the people doing the caring and meet with them regularly (it was weekly) to discuss our brother's care. Initial support was via the Federal Government, and also some Local Government Services. Now come the pandemic, and my sister now having to home school grandchildren and myself have a daughter who often treats Covid 19 patients which meant that as we both became "Covid Possibiles", that we needed to minimise contact with both my brother but also our parents (both in their late 80's) . Plus my parents also had to minimise contact with my brother. This was quite a worry and dilemma. My sister negotiated with the federally funded care to allow more hours for paid home care , which then meant my brother could have a home visit 6 days per week. This is also important to monitor his medications. The retirement village also provides basic care and support, and does all maintenance.
  • With my parents getting on they both have health issues. Dad is pretty good, but mum cannot be left by herself for any length of time, and so if dad has to go into hospital mum did to be cared for. Manageable pre-pandemic, but post pandemic a real problem for the same reasons as with my brother. So again we review RACS but this time near them. Same story as before. Some we simply do not believe to be adequate. We found one that we were happy with and have had her there for respite care twice in this pandemic.
Having looked at many aged care facilities now over recent years, plus having spoken to many of my friends who also have elderly parents and have like myself reviewed what is on offer, as the Federal Government is responsible for Age Care they really need to lift their game. The current pandemic has just made this all the more obvious, and the consequences have also been unfortunately more serious.

Now one could argue that that the State Governments could have stepped up and improve the aged care facilities after the pandemic started. Perhaps they should have, but the real responsibility lies with the Federal Government to have done so as the provision of appropriate age care is their responsibility.

I very much doubt what I have seen in Victoria is only the case In Victoria.
 
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Thanks lovetravellingoz for the update.

Has anyone else noticed how virtually ALL of the Aged Care deaths appear to have been in place NOT in a hospital?

The rapid rise in fatalities has not been matched by any noticeable changes in the ICU (nor ventilated subset) numbers.

I know that in NSW there was massive pressure put on the relatives of residents in Newmarsh House to select paliative care only in place of ICU etc. Described to them in terms like, "massively invasive, intrusive and uncomfortable with no guarantee of success" or "No quality of life to go through ICU for them" - which both do have some truth to them but not the way the spin doctors have been representing it to the broader community.

If this is the case then the broader community, yet again, should be informed - perhaps that realisation may prompt some more people to do the right thing when they realise that the Australian Health bureaucracy is effectively writing off anyone over 70 as a lost cause.


The person may also have chosen to be cared for at their facility, and to not be moved not just due the "sales pitch" but as they wish to remain where they have been living.


With the numbers for those on ventilation, note that as I understand it this includes both those who have been intubated (highly isolating) as well as those on CPAP type respirators (ie Face mask and so less isolating and patients can still talk).
 
The person may also have chosen to be cared for at their facility, and to not be moved not just due the "sales pitch" but as they wish to remain where they have been living.


With the numbers for those on ventilation, note that as I understand it this includes both those who have been intubated (highly isolating) as well as those on CPAP type respirators (ie Face mask and so less isolating and patients can still talk).

I presume not dissimilar to those who are not in a nursing home who at near end of life request to be sent home from hospital to pass at home, or request not to be taken to hospital out of their home when they know their time is nearly up.

A nursing home is a home after all and familiar and not as frightening or disruptive to an elderly often disoriented resident as the alien and often "cold" environment of a hospital.
 
So they tested positive and continued on with life as normal?
If you are following the Qld cases, I think they found out they were positive last night and the third one today.

When they had symptoms and decided (together?) to test (and perhaps not isolate while waiting for result) is perhaps up for conjecture.
 
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