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There are so many visits to doctors that are IMHO unnecessary to be physical presence.

Indeed , I am constantly irritated by the need for face to face consultations for routine stuff like scrips.
Otoh… the gp's run a business and it needs paying customers.
Bulk billing is a distant memory, and offering a payment for telephone will/may not be enough for many practices.
I suspect that pl insurance "conditions"... will limit the capacity of gp's to consult over the phone.
I see a specialist around every 9 months. Each time I need a new referral. I've recently changed Doctors and seeing one nearby as I've moved. (As an aside She's married to a Qantas Pilot 😁 just to keep it on topic) and seeing her for the first time she asked - why on earth don't they give you an ongoing referral so you don't have to go in just for that! Wow, that makes me happy. Then she gave me 5 repeat script for another medication that the former docs said they were hamstrung and could only give me two repeats! She's much younger than my former Doctors and that works for me.

Adelaide now has three walk in Covid clinics that operate separately to Casualty. All they do is tests. Only Covid tests.
 
There are just some things Drs need to do hands on. If it's just advice, no need to tie up Drs or scant public funds. Nurses ably qualified to do that surely? Cant see any GP providing medical clearance without physically examining patient or at least having test results.
 
There are just some things Drs need to do hands on. If it's just advice, no need to tie up Drs or scant public funds. Nurses ably qualified to do that surely? Cant see any GP providing medical clearance without physically examining patient or at least having test results.
I gather there is nothing the Doctors need to do for Covid if the patient has mild symptoms, other than taking the test.
 
Indeed , I am constantly irritated by the need for face to face consultations for routine stuff like scrips.

My GP's practice will issue a renewed scrip to current patients for $10, without a consultation. They'll take the 'order' over the phone but it has to be picked up from reception, of course. (Sorry to go O/T Pushka, but I'm sure there will be plenty of fodder in this thread (unfortunately)).

For pathology test results, I get a SMS saying 'No problem' (or something like that) or 'please make an appointment'.
 
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It worries me that people say Governments are doing nothing.They are but the Media doesn't report it that way.
I get constant updates from my college and the AMA and even missives from the Cheif Medical Officer.They are providing advice but it obviously isn't sexy enough for the Media.Some of them of course have other agendas.
So part of today's message from the CMO.
Dear Colleague
I am writing to update you on the COVID-19 outbreak situation in Australia and internationally, and to outline the Commonwealth’s current and future support for the central role you are playing in our national response.
Communication
There has been a significant amount of advice and information already provided to health professionals. I recognise that the evolving nature of this outbreak has required public health advice to evolve rapidly with the emerging epidemiology. This has made it more challenging for people to keep it up to date and has led to some confusion and a perception of inconsistency of information / information gaps. We are addressing this and will enhance communication to primary care, starting with this letter and followed up by twice weekly newsletters to all GPs in Australia together with regular GP Webinars. There is the very real possibility that larger scale community outbreaks will occur across Australia, placing a significant burden on the health system, in which you play an absolutely critical frontline role.

Situation as at 8 March 2020
As you will be aware, the international situation has changed materially in the last few weeks. Cases have now been reported in over 90 countries, some with sustained widespread community transmission. Despite our success in containing the initial cases associated with travellers from China, we are now seeing the expected second wave of imported cases from a number of countries (most notably Iran). We have evidence of limited community transmission in Sydney. New imported cases are being seen every day, some from countries not previously identified as high risk. It is no longer realistic that we will be able to prevent further importation of cases, and further local outbreaks seeded from imported cases are likely.

The greatest concern remains the relatively small number of cases with severe pulmonary disease, some with a fatal outcome. We still don’t have certainty about the Case Fatality Rate (CFR) for COVID-19, as the estimates from some countries appear to be over-estimated by under ascertainment of mild cases. It seems reasonable to assume a CFR of around 1% in a country like Australia with a strong health system - it may even be lower. We do know that the majority of fatal outcomes have been seen in the elderly, or people with comorbidities.
Current approach to response
At present our response, under the Australian Health Sector Emergency Response Plan for COVID-19 (www.health.gov.au/Covid19-plan), is focused on early identification of cases, isolation, contact tracing and quarantine where indicated - under the supervision and direction of the public health unit in each state or territory.

If more widespread community transmission occurs, the focus will shift to early detection and home isolation of cases to prevent or delay transmission, with less emphasis on identifying contacts who are generally unlikely to be very infectious, unless they themselves also develop symptoms. We will let you know if and when such a shift in the public health response is indicated. Even in a large scale outbreak, isolation of as many cases as possible can play a critical role in flattening the epidemic curve.

Testing
Testing for COVID-19 infection is currently focused on those people with respiratory symptoms who have a relevant travel history or who have been in contact with cases. Testing has largely been done so far by public health laboratories, but I am pleased to advise that we are working on further expanding access under Medicare to private pathology laboratories for the SARS CoV2 virus (COVID-19 virus). It is important at this time that all positive results are immediately reported to the state/territory public health unit, whose contacts are provided at the end of this letter.

Reducing exposure in health care settings
It is clear that, with increasing cases of COVID-19, there will be benefit in more sophisticated strategies to prevent the co-mingling of suspect or proven cases with other patients in health care settings. We have previously advised members of the community that, if they believe that they could potentially have or be exposed to COVID-19, they should phone their GP or local health service and seek advice before attending. If followed, this practice has allowed the practice or hospital to make arrangements for isolation and testing.
As case numbers increase, there is a need for new strategies. We will shortly be announcing to the community an expansion of the COVID-19 national hotline (1800 020 080). This hotline will operate 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

People who believe that they may have been exposed to or have COVID-19 will be encouraged to call the national hotline to seek advice. A standard protocol for the call centre operators will be provided. We will share call centre information and the triage protocol with you shortly, as many GP practices have asked to have the same protocol available for their reception staff to ensure consistent messaging and patient disposition.
Respiratory clinics
We are also actively developing across the nation a series of COVID-19 respiratory clinics, dedicated to the assessment of suspected cases and early treatment of patients with mild symptoms. Some of these are being established by state and territory health services and we are looking at complementing these with a limited number of primary care respiratory clinics at volunteer general practices who have the appropriate infrastructure and capability. Additional infection control training and support will be provided.
The Primary Health Networks (PHNs) in collaboration with the GP Colleges and other stakeholders will be rapidly seeking interest from practices who might wish to be involved. A time limited separate funding model will be developed, cognisant of the nature and costs of this specialised practice, and appropriate personal protective equipment (PPE) will be provided to these clinics. Rural and regional areas will need special consideration and arrangements.

Government is currently considering the time limited expansion of telemedicine MBS items to enable remote consultation of patients with suspected COVID-19 and at risk patients who will not want to be exposed to COVID-19 by attending the clinic. More details on these proposed telemedicine items will be announced very soon.
PPE
Some GPs have expressed concern about the availability of PPE, in particular surgical masks, which are the appropriate PPE for use with most patients with respiratory symptoms. A further 260,000 masks from the National Medical Stockpile were announced this weekend on top of the 750,000 already distributed to PHNs and we will work closely with PHNs to ensure appropriate supply arrangements.
We appreciate that it can be frustrating if only small numbers of masks are distributed at any one time. Masks are in very short supply worldwide and we need to conserve them at this time until our emergency procurement plan delivers a significantly enhanced stockpile in coming weeks. We recognise the need to supply GPs who are assessing potential COVID-19 patients and are focusing our efforts there.

Community campaign
We will also be undertaking a broad community education campaign on COVID-19. One of the important messages will be the value of standard hygiene messages (hand washing, cough etiquette, social distancing) in preventing transmission. I am sure that you will play a role in communicating that message to your patients along with general balanced information about this virus.
Please be on the lookout for our regular twice weekly communiques where we will be providing information about respiratory clinics, pathology testing, PPE, temporary MBS telemedicine items and the like. You will also be given details of the planned weekly webinars on COVID-19 that we will be conducting.
No-one can accurately predict how the COVID-19 outbreak will develop in Australia. Our collective response has to be flexible and collaborative.
The Australian Government has committed to provide the necessary resources to support the response in whatever form it needs to take. The critical role of primary care in this response is well understood and greatly appreciated.
Finally, can I apologise for this very long letter. We doctors hate reading long correspondence but there is a lot of information to convey. We will endeavour to keep our twice weekly newsletters on COVID-19 to one page!

If you have read this far you can download the Government's Emergency Response Plan here-
 
For pathology test results, I get a SMS saying 'No problem' (or something like that) or 'please make an appointment'.

I always get pathology, scans etc. cc'd to me. If there's anything in them that needs follow-up, I'll be contacted anyway for a chat over the phone or to make an appointment. If there's any question I have, I can then make an appointment. But it means that I always have a full record of everything in my own files.
 
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Dear Colleague
I am writing to update you on the COVID-19 outbreak situation in Australia and internationally, and to outline the Commonwealth’s current and future support for the central role you are playing in our national response.
Communication
There has been a significant amount of advice and information already provided to health professionals. I recognise that the evolving nature of this outbreak has required public health advice to evolve rapidly with the emerging epidemiology. This has made it more challenging for people to keep it up to date and has led to some confusion and a perception of inconsistency of information / information gaps. We are addressing this and will enhance communication to primary care, starting with this letter and followed up by twice weekly newsletters to all GPs in Australia together with regular GP Webinars. There is the very real possibility that larger scale community outbreaks will occur across Australia, placing a significant burden on the health system, in which you play an absolutely critical frontline role.

Situation as at 8 March 2020
As you will be aware, the international situation has changed materially in the last few weeks. Cases have now been reported in over 90 countries, some with sustained widespread community transmission. Despite our success in containing the initial cases associated with travellers from China, we are now seeing the expected second wave of imported cases from a number of countries (most notably Iran). We have evidence of limited community transmission in Sydney. New imported cases are being seen every day, some from countries not previously identified as high risk. It is no longer realistic that we will be able to prevent further importation of cases, and further local outbreaks seeded from imported cases are likely.

The greatest concern remains the relatively small number of cases with severe pulmonary disease, some with a fatal outcome. We still don’t have certainty about the Case Fatality Rate (CFR) for COVID-19, as the estimates from some countries appear to be over-estimated by under ascertainment of mild cases. It seems reasonable to assume a CFR of around 1% in a country like Australia with a strong health system - it may even be lower. We do know that the majority of fatal outcomes have been seen in the elderly, or people with comorbidities.
Current approach to response
At present our response, under the Australian Health Sector Emergency Response Plan for COVID-19 (www.health.gov.au/Covid19-plan), is focused on early identification of cases, isolation, contact tracing and quarantine where indicated - under the supervision and direction of the public health unit in each state or territory.

If more widespread community transmission occurs, the focus will shift to early detection and home isolation of cases to prevent or delay transmission, with less emphasis on identifying contacts who are generally unlikely to be very infectious, unless they themselves also develop symptoms. We will let you know if and when such a shift in the public health response is indicated. Even in a large scale outbreak, isolation of as many cases as possible can play a critical role in flattening the epidemic curve.

Testing
Testing for COVID-19 infection is currently focused on those people with respiratory symptoms who have a relevant travel history or who have been in contact with cases. Testing has largely been done so far by public health laboratories, but I am pleased to advise that we are working on further expanding access under Medicare to private pathology laboratories for the SARS CoV2 virus (COVID-19 virus). It is important at this time that all positive results are immediately reported to the state/territory public health unit, whose contacts are provided at the end of this letter.

Reducing exposure in health care settings
It is clear that, with increasing cases of COVID-19, there will be benefit in more sophisticated strategies to prevent the co-mingling of suspect or proven cases with other patients in health care settings. We have previously advised members of the community that, if they believe that they could potentially have or be exposed to COVID-19, they should phone their GP or local health service and seek advice before attending. If followed, this practice has allowed the practice or hospital to make arrangements for isolation and testing.
As case numbers increase, there is a need for new strategies. We will shortly be announcing to the community an expansion of the COVID-19 national hotline (1800 020 080). This hotline will operate 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

People who believe that they may have been exposed to or have COVID-19 will be encouraged to call the national hotline to seek advice. A standard protocol for the call centre operators will be provided. We will share call centre information and the triage protocol with you shortly, as many GP practices have asked to have the same protocol available for their reception staff to ensure consistent messaging and patient disposition.
Respiratory clinics
We are also actively developing across the nation a series of COVID-19 respiratory clinics, dedicated to the assessment of suspected cases and early treatment of patients with mild symptoms. Some of these are being established by state and territory health services and we are looking at complementing these with a limited number of primary care respiratory clinics at volunteer general practices who have the appropriate infrastructure and capability. Additional infection control training and support will be provided.
The Primary Health Networks (PHNs) in collaboration with the GP Colleges and other stakeholders will be rapidly seeking interest from practices who might wish to be involved. A time limited separate funding model will be developed, cognisant of the nature and costs of this specialised practice, and appropriate personal protective equipment (PPE) will be provided to these clinics. Rural and regional areas will need special consideration and arrangements.

Government is currently considering the time limited expansion of telemedicine MBS items to enable remote consultation of patients with suspected COVID-19 and at risk patients who will not want to be exposed to COVID-19 by attending the clinic. More details on these proposed telemedicine items will be announced very soon.
PPE
Some GPs have expressed concern about the availability of PPE, in particular surgical masks, which are the appropriate PPE for use with most patients with respiratory symptoms. A further 260,000 masks from the National Medical Stockpile were announced this weekend on top of the 750,000 already distributed to PHNs and we will work closely with PHNs to ensure appropriate supply arrangements.
We appreciate that it can be frustrating if only small numbers of masks are distributed at any one time. Masks are in very short supply worldwide and we need to conserve them at this time until our emergency procurement plan delivers a significantly enhanced stockpile in coming weeks. We recognise the need to supply GPs who are assessing potential COVID-19 patients and are focusing our efforts there.

Community campaign
We will also be undertaking a broad community education campaign on COVID-19. One of the important messages will be the value of standard hygiene messages (hand washing, cough etiquette, social distancing) in preventing transmission. I am sure that you will play a role in communicating that message to your patients along with general balanced information about this virus.
Please be on the lookout for our regular twice weekly communiques where we will be providing information about respiratory clinics, pathology testing, PPE, temporary MBS telemedicine items and the like. You will also be given details of the planned weekly webinars on COVID-19 that we will be conducting.
No-one can accurately predict how the COVID-19 outbreak will develop in Australia. Our collective response has to be flexible and collaborative.
The Australian Government has committed to provide the necessary resources to support the response in whatever form it needs to take. The critical role of primary care in this response is well understood and greatly appreciated.
Finally, can I apologise for this very long letter. We doctors hate reading long correspondence but there is a lot of information to convey. We will endeavour to keep our twice weekly newsletters on COVID-19 to one page!

If you have read this far you can download the Government's Emergency Response Plan here-

Hmmmm. There is absolutely nothing in that that enlightens more than anyone with a rudimentary interest would have already deciphered. Sorry, but it just seems a communication that is about 14 days behind reality - a time period that is very important.
 
It worries me that people say Governments are doing nothing.They are but the Media doesn't report it that way.

Unfortunately our media is following social media trends and only publishing clickbait stories not real information.

ABCs media watch said the DailyMail had published some 70-odd stories about toilet paper or supermarket stocks
(At least most of them weren't ripped off other sources).

And this will probably only get worse from the middle of the year when AAP closes.
 
I always get pathology, scans etc. cc'd to me. If there's anything in them that needs follow-up, I'll be contacted anyway for a chat over the phone or to make an appointment. If there's any question I have, I can then make an appointment. But it means that I always have a full record of everything in my own files.
I have an ultrasound being done tomorrow. I will collect the report myself. I get a weird look when I say I'll do that - so many must just let the Doctors deal with it.
 
So part of today's message from the CMO.

Good stuff. Thanks drron.

Juddles, hindsight is a fine thing.

BTW I caught a train in Brussels today. Got chatting to a very nice lady, who knew Australia well. Eventually she asked me “ What is it about Australians and toilet paper ?” 😳😟.
It’s a national embarrassment now.
 
The NSW MoH is holding back coronavirus information, I think, on the pretext the info may cause more public panic. I work and live in the main Sydney epicentre :( One of the schools which closed today is barely a 5 min drive from my house. 2 of my work colleagues are currently sitting at home awaiting their virus results. In the unlikely event one of them returns a +ve result, I will have to go into quarantine for 14 days as a close contact. :(
 
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No.

As I have outlined in detail in other threads here already ac does not spread coronaviruses including common colds.

The document case of aerosol spread was not ac. It was where there was a faulty and poorly designed sewer riser in the apartment building and people had installed their own fans in theor toilets and bathrooms which in drawing air from outside blew the infected air short distances across people.

Ac in large buildings will draw the air in and it will travel some distance before being heating/ coolined before returning it again also over some distance. Coronaviruses do not survive this.

People in large building catch colds, flus etc through touch or being within about 2m of someone coughing.

People blame ac. It is not so. It is touch or proximity.

Ditto the above for plane travel.

I'd really like to see some statistics on infections rates for people in high density living vs detached housing.
Not just for corona but other viruses.

Maybe that's why farmers live so long.
 
It worries me that people say Governments are doing nothing ...
There’s probably some good information in there. However, a bit too much so close to bedtime. Will try again tomorrow. 😉
 
The differences in the handling of passengers from Korea and Italy are somewhat curious on various levels...
 
I have an ultrasound being done tomorrow. I will collect the report myself. I get a weird look when I say I'll do that - so many must just let the Doctors deal with it.

Collect reports? What's that?

Ultrasounds, MRIs etc. get put up on the provider's portal and I log in to view the images. That's virtually immediate. The analyst's report is deliberately held back for c. 2 weeks so the medico can see it first, but then it goes up for the patient to access.

The path lab is more antiquated, but they either snail- or e-mail the result.
 
Cut and paste from today's OZ ....... sounds very familiar to my tale posted unthread. I guess the young lass was not pulling my leg after all.

I was tested for coronavirus on Monday. If the majority of experiences are like mine, then as a country we are not prepared.
A few hours into my morning shift at The Australian on Monday, I was told I looked awful. I felt awful too, and was experiencing minor flu-like symptoms.

I decided to get tested for the sake of my co-workers.

When I called my Sydney GP, I was referred to the government’s Healthdirect hotline.

I was to explain my symptoms to a nurse who would then tell me what to do. I called Healthdirect and was put on hold. Forty minutes later I arrived at my GP’s office and was still on hold.

Luckily, my doctor agreed to see me anyway.

It occurred to me that I had just travelled more than half an hour by public transport. Coronavirus is a droplet-spread disease that survives on surfaces for days. If I was infectious, I could have easily passed the virus on to someone else. I resolved to walk home once tested and self-isolate.

It wasn’t so easy. My GP said I had to have a swab test taken at a nearby branch of a well-known pathology clinic. The woman who greeted me at the pathology clinic saw my mask, did a double take and shrieked. Pausing to put on a mask and rubber gloves, she pushed me out the door explaining that this branch did not do COVID-19 swabs, and that I would have to visit a branch in another suburb, and to call ahead first.

Each attempt to call was met with an occupied tone.

I made my way to the second clinic and attempted to call a few more times. Still getting no response, I walked in, was told they no longer did coronavirus swabs and was handed a list of 34 other clinics to visit, most of which closed at 3pm. There were only two clinics within a reasonable distance. I called both several times to no answer.

When I arrived at the next clinic, I was told that I could have a swab test ... next Thursday.

I attempted to explain I couldn’t return to work until I was tested. The receptionist told me to visit the clinic I had just come from.

I sat down and called my doctor for advice. She was unaware that not every location of this pathology clinic offered testing and said I should try the Royal North Shore emergency room.

I called the hospital and was told I “probably” could get tested at the emergency department.

By this point it was near 1pm. I had been running around and potentially spreading diseased droplets all over town for hours.

Once I arrived at the hospital, I was directed to a dedicated pathology station and was seen in less than half an hour.

“You’ll get the results soon,” one of the wonderful health workers told me before sticking a swab up my nose. “They’re taking it pretty seriously.”

I highly doubt that I do have coronavirus. And this is just one man’s experience.

But what if this happened to someone who was seriously ill, or someone who didn’t speak English well, or wasn’t able-bodied? Attempting to navigate the health system would put both their health and the health of others at risk.

A clearer path to diagnosis is a necessity.


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Collect reports? What's that?

Ultrasounds, MRIs etc. get put up on the provider's portal and I log in to view the images. That's virtually immediate. The analyst's report is deliberately held back for c. 2 weeks so the medico can see it first, but then it goes up for the patient to access.

The path lab is more antiquated, but they either snail- or e-mail the result.
I've never been given access to the providers portal - presume you mean the Ultrasound place? If I wait or come back later I receive it that day.
 
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