Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

jakeseven7

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The big stick is certainly out now. $5k fines for everything. $3k for absuing the 2 person exercise rule.

Cops can’t be everywhere the chances of getting caught are minuscule still, doubt it will make much of a dent to be honest for those who don’t care anymore.
 

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I wonder if any of the journos will be game to ask Gladys who she is registering as her bubble mate given her well-known issues with previous partner Daryl Maguire?

Registration of single bubble is only for people living in an area of concern and for singles and not intimate partners. Gladys is neither single (her intimate relationship with her lawyer romantic partner is public knowledge) nor does she live in an area of concern.
 

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I've been doing some checking because of the breathing issue, and while I don't go out much - hate wearing the masks etc - disposables are more popular. I usually climb the fire stairs to get up to the apartment, two flights, and by the time I got to the top wearing the cloth ones, I just wanted to rip it off. I don't get that feeling with the disposable ones.

Interesting i find the opposite, i struggle to breath through a surgical mask. 15 mins is about max i can tolerate, i donated the box i bought last year to charity.

With reusable masks i think it depends on the fabric used, the most comfortable ones are multi fabric and have pocket for n95 insert. I have no issues doing my 3km round trip walk to supermarket and back wearing my preferred cloth masks and that includes climbing stairs. Ive walked bay run (7km) a few times wearing one zero issue.

I can also easily wear an N95 for hours (as it does not sit against your nose but leaves nice amount of space between nose and mouth and mask, with a tighter seal that doesnt fog glasses).

I think usage of reuseable vs disposable is about 50% in my suburb.

All the extra disposable masks are creating huge amount of landfill, which is a shame given how many of those masks are sitting below noses or on chins providing no protection.
 

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3 dead in 10,000. The restrictions are doing far more damage than that.

For some context, Australia has had approx 22,000 deaths from other causes in the 7 weeks of lockdown
Well, if we significantly soften lockdown measures not even remove all of them, there will be much more then 22K deaths per 7 weeks.
This is because of miserable state of healthcare system we got.
If all ICU beds will be filled (and they will be) with covid patients, and large number of staff knocked out ill from their duties, far more ppl will die - a direct impact on the ability to do major surgery, to look after someone after a car accident, or with sepsis, or a heart attack, or a stroke, or a diabetic emergency, or a complicated seizure, or who have taken an overdose, or who bleed seriously whilst they are having a baby.
ICU capability isn’t limited by what’s wrong with you. It’s not even usually limited by the number of beds or the number of ventilator. ICU capacity is mostly limited by the number of nursing staff available to care for you.
Its is ratio of ICU beds and doctors per million is ridiculous in Australia, not lockdown and closed borders, and that is the thing that should have been addressed right from March 2020.

So we don’t reopen because a casual may get sick?
no, because in an unvaccinated population, in NSW, about 10% of covid cases need to be admitted to hospital.
Of these, about 1/3 need to be admitted into ICU.
That means that for every 30 patients who get covid (who aren’t vaccinated), 3 need admitting to hospital, and on average 1 needs admitting to ICU (and is likely to be there for over a week).
ICU capacity in large Base Hospitals in regional areas in NSW is up to about 4 ventilated patients, and ICU’s in regional areas often run at 100% capacity even during ‘business as usual’.
So, as a very rough estimation, each 30 Covid cases in a regional area risks blocking about a quarter of the ICU capacity.
We don’t need much covid to overwhelm a health care system ESPECIALLY in regional parts of Australia.
it’s about being realistic and accepting the way things are.
You can't get more realistic when you came in terms with sobering facts about our healthcare system. THAT is what we need to accept as given unfortunately.
We need to forget about the misleading mantra "Australia has one of the most advanced health system in the world"...
It is simply not true. Nor its true for UK, US where ppl were left to die at home without any simple help as common occurrence.
This is what lies at the very bottom of any discussion on this forum - what ever moves our govts can resource to, right or wrong, vaccinate or not vaccinate - its all comes down to and limited by inadequate underfunded and unable healthcare.
Wrongly established from the scratch and outdated.
Backbone of which are just private GP's googling diagnosis right in front of you in their suburban boxes, and not centralized major state hospitals where diagnostic, pathology and any other examination, surgeries and rehub all happens quick and efficient under the same roof.
nobody is advocating removing all restrictions. The restrictions in NSW are amongst the harshest in the world and they don’t reflect the level of risk.
unfortunately they are, as risk is enormous expressed in ppls lives lost, not emotional trauma financial loss from restrictions.
The fact that people can’t see their own families at the moment is ridiculous. Especially when more than a quarter of the population is fully vaccinated and the vulnerable have had six months to do it.
Unfortunately even with high vaccination rates there still be thousands of lives lost based on real life examples. In US where jab campaign is far more successful now with D variant hospitals still on brink of collapse right now.

Mississippi's Hospital System Could Collapse Within 10 Days Under COVID's Strain

Oregon’s COVID-19 hospitalizations could soar to about 1,100, double previous high

Australia leads the world in the number of tests we do, and I think we are overdoing it
Based on what, sorry?
Australia is actually low in tests, just enough to get by- number 51 in the world.
Just sort this table by tests per million criteria:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

And yes - I get the point you are making in your posts.
I am also sick of restrictions more then majority of ppl here as I am based in qld and employed in WA doing FIFO so you can imagine what a pain it is for family every time I have to leave for another rotation 2 weeks in advance or find my way via TAS on recently NT...
We are also first generation here in Australia with ALL our extended families overseas and I lost hope to hug them for years.
But I am still think even a few years of pain still worth if we can in any way minimize number of families lost loved ones due to Covid-19 virus At the end of the day this is the only thing really matters.
 
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Registration of single bubble is only for people living in an area of concern and for singles and not intimate partners. Gladys is neither single (her intimate relationship with her lawyer romantic partner is public knowledge) nor does she live in an area of concern.
So if you live alone and are caught with someone at your home whom you haven't registered as your 'single' bubble wont you just claim them as an intimate partner? How much public money is going to be wasted on court cases where people elect to challenge a fine handed out in this scenario?
 

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GET. VACCINATED. NOW.

I think, by now just about everyone reading this and similar threads on AFF know this, and probably did long ago. Preaching to the echo chamber 🤣 :p

Although some perhaps don't believe in Chairman Dan's answer to the question "What's the best vaccine to get?" A: "The one you can get now".
 

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I think, by now just about everyone reading this and similar threads on AFF know this, and probably did long ago. Preaching to the echo chamber 🤣 :p

Although some perhaps don't believe in Chairman Dan's answer to the question "What's the best vaccine to get?" A: "The one you can get now".
Sometimes it is more about feeling better in the mind by stating the obvious, than by expecting anything to change by stating it.
 

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So if you live alone and are caught with someone at your home whom you haven't registered as your 'single' bubble wont you just claim them as an intimate partner? How much public money is going to be wasted on court cases where people elect to challenge a fine handed out in this scenario?

Possibly, but if you have an intimate partner who doesnt live with you, you cant also have a singles bubble.

They did say at todays presser that were not aware on any transmission events from singles bubbles. Its just a way for police to have a quick way to check why you are at another residence.

Whole thing seems pointless and more trouble than its worth.

Im not bothering with the bubble. Ive just organised to walk with different local (all fully vaccinated) friends, on different days, as outdoor exercise with one other person is fine, and in the hour it takes to walk the bay run you can have a great catch up without breaking any rules and getting some cardio exercise done.
 
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Now to even get NSW daily cases numbers close to 100 in say the next month, NSW would need to stop all "hotspot" LGA activity to just emergency (healthcare, vaccination, fire, police). Please place the food drops at the State border. We know its not going to happen.
 
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7 days they need about 4 weeks.

I assume with 19hrs of tomorrow’s numbers already available, things have further worsened.
 
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Although some perhaps don't believe in Chairman Dan's answer to the question "What's the best vaccine to get?" A: "The one you can get now"
I’m going to put it out there that a tetanus shot is a very useful thing to be current on and easy to get, but not altogether helpful right now.
 

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Has any state sent health teams to support NSW?

I remember during the Melbourne outbreak there was quite a lot of health teams from many states sent to support Victoria. I haven't heard of it happening this time for NSW.
 
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