Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

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The 70% target is the point at which states have agreed to stop locking out each other, it has zero to do with when states ease restrictions within their own state.

NSW has not agreed to keep greater Sydney in the current strict lock down until we reach 70% vaccination, no state has. When cases are manageable, localised restictions will lift. Other states can choose to keep NSW locked out, but Gladys has stated our restrictions will lift over time (not a big bang) and we can expect more freedoms than we currently have before the 70% target is reached if case numbers fall.

It was reported on news.com(.au) this morning - the NSW Premier stated that 70% would end the lockdown in Sydney. It seems the article has now been updated and mentions 80%. I think the point was that the 70% would allow NSW to end their lockdown much sooner than if they tried to control it by other means.
 

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It was reported on news.com(.au) this morning - the NSW Premier stated that 70% would end the lockdown in Sydney. It seems the article has now been updated and mentions 80%. I think the point was that the 70% would allow NSW to end their lockdown much sooner than if they tried to control it by other means.
She actually said it was a pro rata response, that 50,60,70% would bring easing of restrictions, we don’t have to wait for 80% for the whole thing to come down.
 

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She actually said it was a pro rata response, that 50,60,70% would bring easing of restrictions, we don’t have to wait for 80% for the whole thing to come down.

Alternatively they could just get it under control. Those pictures posted above seem to indicate little willingness for some of the population to do the hard work :(
 

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That’s not the agreement unfortunately and it was only an nod of the head ‘in principle’ at national cabinet which was shortly unpicked by WA within 5 seconds… unsurprisingly.

Ok "in principal" understanding - but it still related to states locking each other out, not a goal for states easing restrictions within their own jurisdiction. There was no in principal agreement that NSW would stay in its current locked down state until 70% achieved.

It was reported on news.com(.au) this morning - the NSW Premier stated that 70% would end the lockdown in Sydney. It seems the article has now been updated and mentions 80%. I think the point was that the 70% would allow NSW to end their lockdown much sooner than if they tried to control it by other means.

Well yesterday Gladys mentioned more freedoms likely from 50%, they are aiming for this to be the last lockdown but for that to be the case would need to be at 70% even though Gladys' target for opening international has always been 80%.

I think news.com.au and you are misunderstanding what was said.

If community cases drop, they wont keep us in current lockdown until 70% are vaccinated (i.e Dec) there will be riots if they try.
 
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Alternatively they could just get it under control. Those pictures posted above seem to indicate little willingness for some of the population to do the hard work

In my experience those pictures are not typical of what is happening, and its media sensationalism. Most shopping strips have tumbleweeds.

On The Project last night they compared movement data between Sydney and Melbourne during the latest lockdowns, and less than 1% difference. This proves that most people are doing the right things and staying home.

The bulk of cases are still happening in South West and Western Sydney within households and smaller workplaces, people going for walks outdoors at Bondi Beach has yet to be shown to be a transmission site.

I walked the Bay Run yesterday arvo (masked) and most other walkers were also masked, only the serious joggers were maskless, and very easy to keep your distance from them.
 
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people going for walks outdoors at Bondi Beach has yet to be shown to be a transmission site.

And this is critical. The virus is not spreading in the settings pictured. Full stop. End of story. The constant use of such photos (which are always taken from angles to make it appear much worse than it really is) is irresponsible at best.

The current restrictions in Sydney have achieved our national goal. Flatten the curve. It’s not FLAT curve. It’s flatten. That’s what didn’t happen in Victoria last year.

With the exception of one case, which any dataset would identify as an outlier, not a single person in this current outbreak has died who was not eligible to be vaccinated. Yes, some people are in hospital, but we really need to start looking at this in a somewhat broader sense.
 

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Yep… I don’t often agree with the Murdoch press, but perhaps the CM has it right. This has all the underpinnings of an event far worse than what’s happening in Sydney. Say what you want about Gladys, but the NSW Gov has a pretty good track record. Queensland however…
LOL. Exactly how has the NSW Govt had a good track record? After Ruby Princess, they wasted an extraordinary amount of energy criticizing Vic and Qld and had been just lucky up until recently. Then when the luck ran out they refused to lockdown quickly and gave very very inconsistent advice which has led to the current very unfortunate situation. YMMV.
 

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not a single person in this current outbreak has died who was not eligible to be vaccinated. Yes, some people are in hospital, but we really need to start looking at this in a somewhat broader sense.

Importantly no one who has had 2 doses of an approved vaccine has been hospitalised, except those transferred from Aged Care to ensure they get optimal care and remove risk from other residents.
 

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LOL. Exactly how has the NSW Govt had a good track record? After Ruby Princess, they wasted an extraordinary amount of energy criticizing Vic and Qld and had been just lucky up until recently. Then when the luck ran out they refused to lockdown quickly and gave very very inconsistent advice which has led to the current very unfortunate situation. YMMV.
Ruby happened so long ago, and while our border was completely open and before we knew much at all. At the time I wasnt happy about it, but will give them the benefit of lack of experience. And for well over 15 months New South Wales has done the lions share of bringing people back home. Delta changed the situation completely. That and the furore over AZ meant that older people in front line areas didnt get vaccinated.
 

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Alternatively they could just get it under control. Those pictures posted above seem to indicate little willingness for some of the population to do the hard work :(
If people arent compliant then in reality there isnt much that can be done. Arresting them or fining them will just serve to create more anger. SA is extremely compliant, NSW and Victoria, a much higher percentage who arent. People are simply over the restrictions, its been too long now, and they are moving on regardless. Bit like driving on the road really.
 

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LOL. Exactly how has the NSW Govt had a good track record? After Ruby Princess, they wasted an extraordinary amount of energy criticizing Vic and Qld and had been just lucky up until recently. Then when the luck ran out they refused to lockdown quickly and gave very very inconsistent advice which has led to the current very unfortunate situation. YMMV

We’re seriously still harping on about that boat? At a time when our border with the United States was fully open and covid was flooding into the country via our federally run airports?

NSW has managed to remain the most open to international arrivals (both passenger and freight) throughout this pandemic. There have been numerous “breaches” of hotel quarantine that would have led to 20 “short, sharp lockdowns” in every other jurisdiction. NSW had none and managed each of these through it’s effective contact tracing system.

Yes, the current situation escalated, but it’s still going a hell of a lot better than the solution in Melbourne. And this is with the “new, scary delta variant”.

And I say this as a card carrying ALP member who’d usually take any chance to take a cough on Gladys.
 
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An interesting graph of the Sydney outbreak numbers.Fairfield LGA despite all the criticism has reduced the rate of spread as has the SW Sydney health district.The rest of Sydney hasn't.
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And the rates of covid per 1000 population per LGA.
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The rest of Sydney hasn't.

Its not really all of Sydney - the new growth is mostly in the Western Suburbs and South.

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Numbers falling in the east, stable in inner west, lower north shore and southern northern beaches, non-existent in the northern Northern Beaches.

Majority of cases are still in 8 LGAs which are the ones with the stricter lockdowns.

Fairfield have done well to trend down but the suburb of Fairfield alone (not the whole LGA) currently has 335 active cases, hence all the super dark green.
 
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Ok "in principal" understanding - but it still related to states locking each other out, not a goal for states easing restrictions within their own jurisdiction. There was no in principal agreement that NSW would stay in its current locked down state until 70% achieved.



Well yesterday Gladys mentioned more freedoms likely from 50%, they are aiming for this to be the last lockdown but for that to be the case would need to be at 70% even though Gladys' target for opening international has always been 80%.

I think news.com.au and you are misunderstanding what was said.

If community cases drop, they wont keep us in current lockdown until 70% are vaccinated (i.e Dec) there will be riots if they try.

Realistically the Sydney lockdown wouldn't be over until September at the earliest without some other sort of criteria being introduced. I think news.com was right in reporting that the NSW premier is now saying lockdown could be lifted earlier than that if they reach a vaccination target (was reported as 70% in the first edition, may have been updated now).

Good for Sydney... but I don't think we want potentially infected people coming in to Victoria - even with 50/60/70 per cent targets reached. The cost of all this testing and time off work must be phenomenal. And NSW wants to continue that rather than people stay at home for a few days?
 

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In the race to be lucky Qld is definitely in the lead as the Lucky State.
!4 separate instances of community transmission in the last 6 weeks.
With this last outbreak Dr.Young thinks the index case is a fellow discharged from The Sunshine Coast Hospital on July 17th.If so this would be the 5th leakage from a QLD hospital this year.
Some reports of this QLD outbreak.

possibly the SCUH patient was this fellow who lives in Buderim though it was his son who had been in HQ in Sydney.

Though a week before that there had been this incident at SCUH.

Just imagine what might be happening here if like Sydney the initial case was a super spreader.
 
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