Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

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It's spread too much, and without ultra hardcore lockdown, they will never get this under control. Sydney will be in permanent lockdown until we reach Scomo's Phase 2 when vaccination % reaches necessary level. This % should be known in next 2 weeks or so.
 

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Gladys pretending not to hear the hard questions. Who is that guy? Is it Skynews?
Yes, Clennell. Seems to think it is more important to get a sorry or other confession than discuss the actual restrictions and settings that are needed. Plenty of time to deal with the (non)confessions by having a mock judicial review down the track.
 

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Vic Presser.

The new case's (Monnee Valley Testing Site Traffic Conroller) partner lives in Newport whom he visited, an so that explains the Yarraville and Altona North locations.
Their close contacts have so far tested negative.
EDIT ADDED: The worker was not vaccinated.

Sewage testing (ongoing monitoring) of the LaCrosse Building identified CV19, and that led to household contacts of the the earlier case being tested, and they both have now tested positive. These will be the two persons referred to earlier in this thread.
 
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Are these two people running amok in their apartment building coughing on everyone they see, and on to every common touch surface?

What a bizarre comparison for a policy of forced relocation from one's home.

Last I checked, parliament never passed a law that contracting COVID-19 was a punishable crime.
It's not a bizarre comparison, it was an extreme one to illustrate a point. The point being that if an individual's actions or health condition is deemed to pose a risk to others, society's rights will prevail.
 
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Outdoor masks for 8 LGAs. Mask penalty increasing to $500.
I'm shocked that wasn't a thing earlier. In Brisbane, during the first snap lockdown, you had to wear a mask everywhere.

That meant... In a car by yourself, standing in the middle of a field 1km from anyone else, or outside your own home on the street.
 

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It's not a bizarre comparison, it was an extreme one to illustrate a point. The point being that if an individual's actions or health condition is deemed to pose a risk to others, society's rights will predominate.
Why aren't we arresting people smoking in public? Or taking away pregnant women who drink alcohol (or smoke)?

There are quite a few things that harm others in our society that we don't drag people away for...not sure why this should be any different on principle.
 

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There are quite a few things that harm others in our society that we don't drag people away for...not sure why this should be any different on principle.

Though to be clear, no one has been dragged out of, or attempted to be dragged out of, the LacRosse Building or other apartments in Victoria in the two recent outbreaks.

Positive cases from such buildings are encouraged to enter the Medical HQ to reduce risk to the community, and in particular for the other residents and for the support staff providing support to those in quarantine in apartment buildings.

In the Medical HQ they will also be provided with better care and monitoring.
 
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Surely that should be up to the decision of the person concerned, unless in a very specific setting where the manager of the facility has a responsibility for the well-being of other residents (e.g. aged care)
I hope it would be treated like any other case of child endangerment. Except in this case best served by removing the perpetrator (rather than the family having to flee to a shelter).
 

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Why aren't we arresting people smoking in public? Or taking away pregnant women who drink alcohol (or smoke)?

There are quite a few things that harm others in our society that we don't drag people away for...not sure why this should be any different on principle.
The fact that you raise those examples illustrates my point. You can certainly be arrested for smoking in public. If you were within 10 m of the entrance to a building and refused to desist from puffing, ultimately you could be dragged away. Jump back a few decades and that would have been unthinkable but society's requirements altered and smokers have had to alter their behaviour accordingly.
Likewise pregnant women drinking. At the moment OK but it wouldn't take much for that to change. The legal debate would be a bit different around that one but ultimately, if society decided it was inappropriate, there'd be a law introduced and no more FASD.
 

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I guess we will never know for certain, but it would be interesting to know if any of today's large number of positive cases in NSW were present at a certain potential super-spreader even in Sydney on the weekend? Certainly there was no QR check-in codes for the event, and I think if people were present and later become symptomatic and test positive, they would likely be reluctant to fully disclose their activities related to such an event. I certainly hope this is not the case. If it is, then there are likely a lot of people in "denial" about symptoms and unwilling to be tested in case it jeopardises their belief.
 

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I guess we will never know for certain, but it would be interesting to know if any of today's large number of positive cases in NSW were present at a certain potential super-spreader even in Sydney on the weekend?
If it were, you'd think with lag and reporting periods it would be the early indications (and I'd hope that isn't the case), since you're getting tests that might be taken when one is symptomatic (let's say 2-3 days after infection) where a swab test may then be up to 1-2 days, and only if they made it into yesterday's 8PM cycle do we know about it today.

This reference says Delta might be expected to go from positive infection to PCR test result in 3-5 days, so that would also suggest a very early indication if it were the case: When should I be tested? How soon will I be contagious? Are things different with Delta? | MIT Medical
 
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I guess we will never know for certain, but it would be interesting to know if any of today's large number of positive cases in NSW were present at a certain potential super-spreader even in Sydney on the weekend? Certainly there was no QR check-in codes for the event, and I think if people were present and later become symptomatic and test positive, they would likely be reluctant to fully disclose their activities related to such an event. I certainly hope this is not the case. If it is, then there are likely a lot of people in "denial" about symptoms and unwilling to be tested in case it jeopardises their belief.
Never mind that they're not willing to be tested - if they are indeed carrying the virus and are infecting other people around them, it is going to be difficult to establish a link for the people that they have infected as they are not likely to own up to the fact they showed up at the event and were likely infected there.

I am not terribly positive about what's to come - I am afraid cases may soar (as they already have) as CT is failing to keep up, and people are just not being cooperative (referencing a post from reddit which alludes to known positive cases not understanding the implication of visiting other people and spreading the virus).
 
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ADF incoming to assist with compliance in Greater Sydney. Don't know in what capacity (I think their remit is fairly limited?).
ADF now, for compliance? What powers will they have?
 

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