Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[Princess Fiona]

Interesting - McGown seems to be indicating indirectly that the Perth restrictions are the fault of NSW.

The PER restrictions are due to a case contracted in NSW.

 

[openseat]

The PER restrictions are due to a case contracted in NSW.

Not all. The vast bulk are the fifo workers from NT.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

but most if not everyone there at that time has been under stay at home orders.

Which of course is one of the key advantages of this level of restriction is that mixing via any unknown case/s is slowed down, or even chopped off entirely.

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Not all. The vast bulk are the fifo workers from NT.

The case in Perth was from a WA resident visiting Bondi. So will have the Delta Strain and not the less transmissible Alpha Strain (ie Miner Outbreak from Qld HQ)

The Perth woman who tested positive for COVID-19 travelled to New South Wales nearly two weeks ago and visited a known Sydney hotspot.

 

[Princess Fiona]

Not all. The vast bulk are the fifo workers from NT.

Yes I understand that the miners are there but currently the only active case who has been in the community is the Physio who returned from Bondi with the Delta variant. The WA Border controls later introduced today are more in response to miners.
From the Premier
“The situation is very concerning around the country with NSW of most concern," Mr McGowan said.

"But also given the high number of contacts from the Northern Territory gold mine that have travelled to different parts of Australia."

In direct relation to the restrictions in Perth/ Peel

“Perth and Peel are under a range of new restrictions following a positive coronavirus case in a woman who entered Western Australia from Sydney.

Health Minister Roger Cook confirmed the latest infection on Sunday morning and said the woman aged in her 50s had been out in the community while infectious for three days.

From midday, Perth and Peel moved to strict measures, including masks being required indoors and on public transport.”

 

[antycbr]

So the WA FIFO workers from the NT mine were infected by the worker from Bendigo who contracted the virus in Queensland on his way to the NT mine.

Have I got that right?

The original Bendigo case had a NSW drivers license and was notified of the Queensland HQ breach by NSW.

So we have Vic, NSW, QLD, NT and WA involved. Who would have thought that we used to be one country and an interconnected economy where these border lines don’t matter.

 

[Pushka]

With zero cases, so far, SA is announcing tighter restrictions tomorrow. Maybe our CHO is feeling left out.

 

[antycbr]

An emergency National Security Committee and National Cabinet are being scheduled.

Politically, this is a nightmare for Scomo and with almost all state borders closing the economic recovery is at serious risk.

 

[Must...Fly!]

with almost all state borders closing the economic recovery is at serious risk.

Hard to argue against that. All the money spent on half price airfares, much of which would've been due to be taken over the coming school holidays period.
I wouldn't be surprised to see some pretty serious shifts in policy over the coming days. E.g. AZ expanding again.

 

[love_the_life]

With zero cases, so far, SA is announcing tighter restrictions tomorrow. Maybe our CHO is feeling left out.

And we have been included in the restrictions - fair enough as NSW border is very porous.

 

[jase05]

With zero cases, so far, SA is announcing tighter restrictions tomorrow. Maybe our CHO is feeling left out.

Possible tighter restrictions. Can’t see it being too harsh. Mainly density limits at hospitality venues and mask wearing.
Wouldn’t be surprised if we get cases in the coming days

 

[Flying mermaid]

And we have been included in the restrictions - fair enough as NSW border is very porous.

It is although we have managed to avoid problems in previous outbreaks e.g. Avalon. I guess everyone is a lot more worried about Delta. It took Mr FM 3 hours to get through testing at Epic. It’s his third time and he says he has never seen a queue like that before.

 

[Must...Fly!]

Various parts of the Holiday Inn Express at Southbank have tonight been added to the Victorian exposure site list. Could mean potential of cases linked to the hotel - only say because it's surprising these were not put up yesterday when the overnight was known about.

 

[dajop]

Various parts of the Holiday Inn Express at Southbank have tonight been added to the Victorian exposure site list. Could mean potential of cases linked to the hotel - only say because it's surprising these were not put up yesterday when the overnight was known about.

I wouldn’t have necessarily concluded that. I would have concluded that Victorian contact tracers have had third dibs at speaking to the flight attendant, or spoke to the hotel today. The new additions -Tier 2 locations - seem to be the floor on which the FA stayed overnight and the reception area during checkin and checkout times.

 

[kangarooflyer88]

With zero cases, so far, SA is announcing tighter restrictions tomorrow. Maybe our CHO is feeling left out.

I don't like where this heading, we're back to a bunch of borders that will be closed indefinitely making it darn near impossible to make any travel planning arrangements. Yours truly has a trip to Lord Howe Island booked already for the end of August, and I wonder if I'll even be permitted to travel within the state to the island, despite being fully vaccinated for 2 months by then.

Hard to argue against that. All the money spent on half price airfares, much of which would've been due to be taken over the coming school holidays period.
I wouldn't be surprised to see some pretty serious shifts in policy over the coming days. E.g. AZ expanding again.

Indeed, these outbreaks will not be doing any favour for QF and VA who have been relying exclusively on domestic air travel to remain solvent during these trying times with some reports that the domestic air travel market nearly recovering fully to pre-COVID passenger loads before the limo driver escorted them both from airport property. To quote a recent report from the ACCC:

While airline expectations may have been downgraded since the Victorian lockdown from late May, the Qantas Group had previously forecast capacity would reach 95 per cent of pre-pandemic levels by June 2021, with both Qantas and Jetstar expected to exceed 100 per cent in 2021–22.

Virgin had forecast that its capacity would reach 85 per cent of pre-pandemic levels by mid-June 2021.

I wonder if the commonwealth will be extending the Tourism Aviation Network Support (TANS) once we get out of these lockdowns and restrictions... hopefully before summer so they could launch the SUNTANS programme

It is although we have managed to avoid problems in previous outbreaks e.g. Avalon. I guess everyone is a lot more worried about Delta. It took Mr FM 3 hours to get through testing at Epic. It’s his third time and he says he has never seen a queue like that before.

You raise an interesting point, and perhaps something that will become the new norm once the states leave their slumber from all of this, which is the possibility that all travellers be required to get a rapid COVID test at the airport before being able to check in/board the flight. Whilst this may be uncomfortable for many travellers, it sure beats the alternative of a COVID +ve traveller going interstate moving the virus to all corners of the commonwealth at break neck speed.

The One and Only,

KangarooFlyer88

 

[lovetravellingoz]

I wouldn’t have necessarily concluded that. I would have concluded that Victorian contact tracers have had third dibs at speaking to the flight attendant, or spoke to the hotel today. The new additions -Tier 2 locations - seem to be the floor on which the FA stayed overnight and the reception area during checkin and checkout times.

Yes looking at the timelines and venues it would appear that apart from possibly having breakfast downstairs, that she mainly spent the time there in her room rather than in the public areas.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

New exposure sites added at 9.54PM Sunday 27 June in NSW including now for Sydney Olympic Park.

Of particular concern is that the T2 Domestic airport food court also features for 5 hours on 24 June suggesting that a person who worked in the food court may be a positive case. Note that this is the day before the FA's two days (25/26 June) of flights via the airport.

If so, that will have ramifications for many who flew out that morning, and for the places that they flew to. There most likely will be a lot of contact tracing teams being cranked up overnight.



So 5 hours of anyone in T2 must get tested and isolate for 14 days regardless of result.

That is presumably a lot of people (and even more by the requirement below), many of who are presumably in other states and territories at present. Given that some people have been infectious 2 days after having been infected, if whomever was at T2 was a super spreader then cases could well have been spread far and wide who may have been out and about infectious on 26 and 27June.

So that is about a 20% chance this could have significant implications as a seeding event to other states and territories if the person had a public facing role and was an active spreader. ie Just imagine a Limo-man equivalent wandering around the food court for 5 hours, and then everyone that they passed jumps on a plane. Let us all hope that they are more like BBQ man in how infectious they were.

Let us all hope we dodge this particular bullet.

As a specific eatery is not listed, they may potentially have been a cleaner.

890

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1409117965392384000

 

[dajop]

Has anyone yet asked "who made the decision to use private limousines to transport crew"? Why not the army or the police?

OK I am being flippant, please don't answer. And I know the question has been asked about the level of control/supervision of these drivers. What I think we can conclude from this is that the virus will find and exploit any weakness, and human nature makes impossible to cover all possibilities as much as our elected leaders and the many appointed public servants try to. The more and more we consider what has happened and what is happening, whilst many of the processes in place do prevent that vast majority of escapes of the virus, it 90% pure dumb luck that determines whether the minority of escapes fizzle out, are relatively confined to a particularly geographic area (eg. northern beaches) or explode across a city, state or the country. Hopefully vastly better contact tracing and the rings of containment can be the difference between 50/day and the 500/day we saw in Victoria last winter.

Vaccination is the only path out really, and at least this time round, due to vaccinations, there's a much stronger likelihood, as we saw in Arcare Maidstone, of less serious impact on aged care.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

, as we saw in Arcare Maidstone, of less serious impact on aged care.

Apart from those that had already been vaccinated, they also removed:

• the residents who became positive,
• also any resident who was deemed very high risk before they became positive (ie a resident who was not positive, but who used assisted breathing every night was relocated to my daughter's ward).

 

[Must...Fly!]

Vaccination is the only path out really

It is the only path out indeed.

The relatively invisible mental toll of these further restrictions and lockdowns is what will really be the cost over the next few weeks and months

 

[antycbr]

I don't like where this heading, we're back to a bunch of borders that will be closed indefinitely making it darn near impossible to make any travel planning arrangements. Yours truly has a trip to Lord Howe Island booked already for the end of August, and I wonder if I'll even be permitted to travel within the state to the island, despite being fully vaccinated for 2 months by then.


Indeed, these outbreaks will not be doing any favour for QF and VA who have been relying exclusively on domestic air travel to remain solvent during these trying times with some reports that the domestic air travel market nearly recovering fully to pre-COVID passenger loads before the limo driver escorted them both from airport property. To quote a recent report from the ACCC:


I wonder if the commonwealth will be extending the Tourism Aviation Network Support (TANS) once we get out of these lockdowns and restrictions... hopefully before summer so they could launch the SUNTANS programme


You raise an interesting point, and perhaps something that will become the new norm once the states leave their slumber from all of this, which is the possibility that all travellers be required to get a rapid COVID test at the airport before being able to check in/board the flight. Whilst this may be uncomfortable for many travellers, it sure beats the alternative of a COVID +ve traveller going interstate moving the virus to all corners of the commonwealth at break neck speed.

The One and Only,

Roo Flyer 88

I had a LDH booking in August 2020 that was cancelled and rescheduled to May this year. There were specific orders issued for Lord Howe Island due to the remoteness of the island and high risk if there is spread, requiring air ambulance evacuation.