Article: Have Australians Stopped Flying to the USA? Here’s What the Data Says…

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justinbrett said:
t’s not the data’s fault people are using it incorrectly! Don’t blame the data.

It proves that the airline routes between Australia and the US are growing, and that’s the important point in the context of a frequent flyer forum.
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completely agree, it is not the data's fault, this article tried to use the data for something it was never intended for. The data itself is fine if used in the correct context, and as you rightly point out it shows the increased traffic on the route, but that is all it shows.
 
justinbrett said:
It’s not the data’s fault people are using it incorrectly! Don’t blame the data.

It proves that the airline routes between Australia and the US are growing, and that’s the important point in the context of a frequent flyer forum.
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Except that it doesn't. It does not show how many of those "US" pax are not going to the US, but instead connecting to other international flights. eg. Someone going to Mexico via LAX isn't going to the US, yet that data will say they are.
 
justinbrett said:
It’s not the data’s fault people are using it incorrectly! Don’t blame the data.

It proves that the airline routes between Australia and the US are growing, and that’s the important point in the context of a frequent flyer forum.
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Who's blaming the data?

It might well be good data in the context of a frequent flyer forum, but I think in the context of a thread that has the title "Have Australians Stopped Flying to the USA?", it really isn't helpful at all, and therefore rather meaningless.
 
Himeno said:
Except that it doesn't. It does not show how many of those "US" pax are not going to the US, but instead connecting to other international flights. eg. Someone going to Mexico via LAX isn't going to the US, yet that data will say they are.
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I never said that. I only commented on the routes.

dajop said:
Who's blaming the data?

It might well be good data in the context of a frequent flyer forum, but I think in the context of a thread that has the title "Have Australians Stopped Flying to the USA?", it really isn't helpful at all, and therefore rather meaningless.
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Perhaps irrelevant to the topic would be a better term. Calling the data meaningless questions the data itself.

I do think it is relevant to this topic to say although there’s a decline in Aussies on the routes that they are being replaced by others, otherwise people would make assumptions that QF and others should be cutting capacity.
 
RSD said:
Probably!!
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Unless they take exception with status runs and criticisms of American based hotel chains or American based carriers, AFF tends be very very neutral. Certainly doesn’t have people going down rabbit holes that could raise red flags.
 
IrishPete said:
The Guardian the other day had more solid information on Australian travel to the USA ans is reporting a maasive reduction.

And that's before this week's announcement that you may have to open up five years of your social media accounts to the immigration authorities.

The numbers are in this article. ‘The whole thing disgusts me’: Australians ditch US travel as new rules require social media to be declared
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Lurking in the proposed changes is the closure of the ESTA website and then only the app can be used to apply for an ESTA. ie an app you must install on your phone…even China doesn’t require that, yet.

My advice would be apply for an ESTA within 60 days of that proposal being issued if you don’t have one already. Mine has at least 18 mths to run….
 
SYD said:
Lurking in the proposed changes is the closure of the ESTA website and then only the app can be used to apply for an ESTA. ie an app you must install on your phone…even China doesn’t require that, yet.

My advice would be apply for an ESTA within 60 days of that proposal being issued if you don’t have one already. Mine has at least 18 mths to run….
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I suspect that having an ESTA wouldn't make much difference for me - I've poked far too much fun at DJT on Facebook - if I did plan a U.S. trip I might as well book a return flight for the same day as arrival.
 
RSD said:
Are we still allowed to make fun of Walmart shoppers?
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Does that happen?

You may as well make fun of Carrefour, KMart, Big W, etc. shopper.

Oh ... I just realised the context; you're referring to POS who let it all hang out ...
 
RSD said:
I suspect that having an ESTA wouldn't make much difference for me - I've poked far too much fun at DJT on Facebook - if I did plan a U.S. trip I might as well book a return flight for the same day as arrival.
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Makes a huge difference if you’ve not already declared your FaceSpaces and other socials.

It really is no big deal entering LOTFAP with an ESTA and MPC.

If anything, a Visa will solicit more questions. A friend was pull aside because they had a Visa.

CBP Officer: “Why do you have a Visa and not an ESTA?”

Friend: “I’ve been to North Korea”*

CBP Officer: looks concerned and cue the sound of rubber gloves snapping….😳

*went as an organised tourist visit - seemed like a good idea at the time…
 

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