Article: Have Australians Stopped Flying to the USA? Here’s What the Data Says…

[RooFlyer]

It's also in the very first sentence of the article: 'There have been plenty of anecdotal reports of fewer people travelling to the United States in 2025, compared to previous years. But is this actually true for Australians?'

But the first sentence is true isn't it? Plenty of talk here on AFF about people not going to USA (not claiming its correct, or has any basis) EDIT: see post below. Then the second sentence asks if its true, then the article goes on to test the idea, and drawing on BITRE data, suggests its not true BUT also notes limitations on the analysis.

Its not really a counter just to link to other countries' data - there could be different methodologies, filters, time lags etc. You can do a study on Australian govt data, or one of USA govt data for just about any subject and they won't necessarily agree.

If people disagree with the conclusions using BITRE data, they should draw the data from BITRE reports themselves and show it, or draw data from some other source and show it and show how it contradicts the conclusions.

I don't know one way or the other - I'd love to learn! But I don't respect broad statements just saying its wrong 'cos some other source of data says something else. Put the effort into sharing the knowledge.

 

[IrishPete]

Between January and August 2024, 778,802 people flew from the USA to Australia. Over the same period, 792,839 people flew in the other direction from Australia to the USA. This effectively means that 14,037 people left Australia for the USA during that period but didn’t return, which could indicate that they permanently migrated from Australia to the United States.

Does this include those people who then flew to Canada, Mexico, the Caribbean or to Europe ?

I came here to say something similar.
The article points out that it doesn't include people flying to the USA from Australia via a third country (specifically New Zealand, but potentially a whole lot of other places too), but is less clear about people only transiting through the USA.

We won't even be transiting through the USA while Trump or any of his minions remain in office - the risk of being given a difficult time and even refused entry, is just too high, as are the consequences potentially too serious. Partner is Canadian, and flights to Vancouver through the USA are much cheaper, especially when using points. So I wonder who many Australians are flying through the USA to Canada or other destinations outside the USA.

I have been sooo wanting to go back to Hawaii for years, but with the price of accommodation, the stupid "resort fees" and the low $Aussie, cant justify the price - and probably same for many others. Not that its losing appeal - its becoming unaffordable.

And then there's the risk of USA immigration authorities being difficult.

 

[levelnine]

But the first sentence is true isn't it? Plenty of talk here on AFF about people not going to USA (not claiming its correct, or has any basis). Then the second sentence asks if its true, then the article goes on to test the idea, and drawing on BITRE data, suggests its not true BUT also notes limitations on the analysis.

The BITRE data cannot answer the question posed by the article.

It's a complete non-sequitur.

It's like asking: What will the weather in Sydney be tomorrow?

Then answering: Looks good judging by the forecast for London.

 

[RooFlyer]

The BITRE data cannot answer the question posed by the article.

It's a complete non-sequitur.

It's like asking: What will the weather in Sydney be tomorrow?

Then answering: Looks good judging by the forecast for London.

Show us! I respect your knowledge, but just saying nyet doesn't help me.

 

[levelnine]

Show us! I respect your knowledge, but just saying nyet doesn't help me.

The BITRE data does not break down arrivals by nationality.

The article is making a claim about nationality.

 

[Quickstatus]

Am I right there are less QF seats from AU to US than 10 years ago?