Airport ID risk prompts electronic tickets and automatic baggage check-in rethink

[oz_mark]

ID checking seems to be next to useless. After all the 9/11 terrorists used their own ID in checking in.

Once again, this is NOT about aviation security.

 

[anat0l]

I didn't get the impression that any of the discussion was about aviation security. It was more about law enforcement agencies being able to track peoples movements, and the lack of identification allows criminal figures to do this easily.

If this has nothing to do with aviation security and more about people tracking, then why the emphasis on aviation or is it simply that aviation presents the most glaring precedent for the lack of ability to (accurately) track a person's movement?

 

[munitalP]

If this has nothing to do with aviation security and more about people tracking, then why the emphasis on aviation or is it simply that aviation presents the most glaring precedent for the lack of ability to (accurately) track a person's movement?

Do you think it is even at that level anat0l? While we can travel state to state unhindered by boarder control, why is the necessity to track people's movements?

 

[Nigelinoz]

Do you think it is even at that level anat0l? While we can travel state to state unhindered by boarder control, why is the necessity to track people's movements?

Absolutely agree,if a criminal really wanted to transport say a kilo of cannabis from Sydney to Melbourne would they really take the risk of being searched at the airport when they could easily chuck it in a backpack and hop on the Countrylink train with absolutely no risk of being detected.

 

[oz_mark]

So why are planes so important, and not buses or trains? Do criminals exclusively use air travel as a means for their nefarious activities?

The importance is that the reference of the inquiry is "Adequacy of aviation and maritime security measures to combat serious and organised crime". Trains and buses are therefore outside the terms of reference for the inquiry.

 

[FlyboyAl]

Before you read the rest of this post, please note that I am a great believer in security, and I do understand (most of the time) why things are done the way they are.
Having said that, I just received an email which I thought might lighten the whole thing up a little.
hope no one is offended.

ANOTHER GREAT IDEA FROM AN AVERAGE JOE. WHY AREN'T THERE PEOPLE WITH COMMON SENSE LIKE THIS IN OUR SECURITY ORGANISATIONS?

Here's a solution to all the controversy over full-body scanners at the airports:

All we need to do is develop a booth that you can step into that will not X-ray you, but will detonate any explosive device you may have hidden on or in your body. The explosion will be contained within the sealed booth.

This would be a win-win for everyone. There would be none of this stuff about racial profiling and the device itself would eliminate long and expensive trials.

This is so simple that it's brilliant. I can see it now: you're in the airport terminal and you hear a muffled explosion. Shortly thereafter an announcement comes over the PA system, "Attention standby passengers, we now have a seat available on flight number..."

Works for me!

 

[bossreggie]

Before you read the rest of this post, please note that I am a great believer in security, and I do understand (most of the time) why things are done the way they are.
Having said that, I just received an email which I thought might lighten the whole thing up a little.
hope no one is offended.

ANOTHER GREAT IDEA FROM AN AVERAGE JOE. WHY AREN'T THERE PEOPLE WITH COMMON SENSE LIKE THIS IN OUR SECURITY ORGANISATIONS?

Here's a solution to all the controversy over full-body scanners at the airports:

All we need to do is develop a booth that you can step into that will not X-ray you, but will detonate any explosive device you may have hidden on or in your body. The explosion will be contained within the sealed booth.

This would be a win-win for everyone. There would be none of this stuff about racial profiling and the device itself would eliminate long and expensive trials.

This is so simple that it's brilliant. I can see it now: you're in the airport terminal and you hear a muffled explosion. Shortly thereafter an announcement comes over the PA system, "Attention standby passengers, we now have a seat available on flight number..."

Works for me!

No offence taken.... TOTALLY brilliant idea!!

There are no losers here!!

 

[Hvr]

No offence taken.... TOTALLY brilliant idea!!

There are no losers here!!

As long as there is an auto wash facility like they have in some public toilets.



The problem with the overall idea is that we really don't want to degenerate into the farce that is, by all accounts USA security.

At the moment I can walk up to a security check and be through in seconds, maybe 80 seconds with the explosive test. No ID or any other cough.

If we have to go through ID checks then we need some form of ID without our address on it so rent a cops cannot steal our identity. The USA passport card would fit the bill.

Too much make work cough for no return or increase in security.

 

[froggerADL]

No offence taken.... TOTALLY brilliant idea!!

There are no losers here!!

I just hope I'm not in the damn thing when it malfunctions

Those scanners often beep when I walk through. I walk through again, no beep. I prefer the beep to the muffled bang.

 

[Oneworldplus2]

Metal scanners, they puzzle me no end.

Case in point.

SYD T3, my casual shoes don't set off any of the metal detectors, in PER they do.

 

[NM]

Perhaps I am being a little too sceptical, but I have to wonder if this latest debate isn't the brain child of the union lobbyists trying to find more reasons why automated check-in and bag-drop facilities are a bad idea so they can justify their concerns with reducing staffing levels and hence union membership?

 

[medhead]

Metal scanners, they puzzle me no end.

Case in point.

SYD T3, my casual shoes don't set off any of the metal detectors, in PER they do.

They can change the sensitivity of the metal detector. Even in SYD T3 I find that particular scans did beep for my work shoes and others didn't, consistently. It sometimes also depends on how close your feet are to the edge of the detector. I have experienced the same detector being set off when everything is basically the same except I have walk through to one side of the detector.

Now when I walk thought the scanner I do so such that I step in the middle of the detector and my feet pass through the middle as well.

 

[nlagalle]

They can change the sensitivity of the metal detector. Even in SYD T3 I find that particular scans did beep for my work shoes and others didn't, consistently. It sometimes also depends on how close your feet are to the edge of the detector. I have experienced the same detector being set off when everything is basically the same except I have walk through to one side of the detector.

Now when I walk thought the scanner I do so such that I step in the middle of the detector and my feet pass through the middle as well.

I reckon Sydney T2 scanners are more sensitive. No other metal detector in Australia has ever picked up my belt except for T2 security. Not even T1. Although my toothpaste was confiscated!

 

[Nigelinoz]

I reckon Sydney T2 scanners are more sensitive. No other metal detector in Australia has ever picked up my belt except for T2 security. Not even T1. Although my toothpaste was confiscated!

I reckon you might be correct,I have a plate in my left ankle as the result of a bad break and every time I go through security at T2 it sets off the alarm and I have to remove my shoes yet in Melbourne it has never gone off-go figure.:!:

 

[jb747]

..... Although my toothpaste was confiscated!

The last time my toothpaste was taken, the aircraft blew up anyway.

 

[bossreggie]

The last time my toothpaste was taken, the aircraft blew up anyway.

Wassn't that an Oxygen Cylinder rather than an aircraft??

 

[jb747]

Wassn't that an Oxygen Cylinder rather than an aircraft??

Quite true...

Perhaps they should leave us our toothpaste, and take the oxy bottles. We know that one is capable of exploding, but I have my doubts about the other. No matter how big the tube.

 

[Mal]

Now when I walk thought the scanner I do so such that I step in the middle of the detector and my feet pass through the middle as well.

I have a pair of shoes which is detected by one scanner in Brisbane, but not the others. I have a belt which has been detected many times in Brisbane in recent times.

I learnt a secret about my shoes, and even on the one that triggers, there is something I can do to make it not go off.

No more comment....

 

[jb747]

The theory is that some of the scanners are set up over expansion joints in the floor. As mentioned above, Perth goes off for everything, whilst some others are perhaps best described as having their own personality.

 

[medhead]

I learnt a secret about my shoes, and even on the one that triggers, there is something I can do to make it not go off.

No more comment....

Is taking your shoe off a secret?

In theory, it would have to be about the angle that it moves through the detector, or something like that.

I also know that my macbook sets off the security detector thing on the exit from the Coles in kings cross. The security guy tells me it is because of all the metal. Same trick, walking in the middle and carrying the bag so that the short side of the computer points at the detector seems to work.