Air New Zealand Economy Skynest

This is basically like putting a crew rest facility into the main cabin.
If any of you have ever wondered what's upstairs at the back of a QF 747 for example, this is pretty similar to what's up there.
 
There's a similar plan, I've seen, that would have the middle bed movable, the bottom bed collapsable into three seats for take off and landing and the top bed fixed.

NZ designing it themselves is probably more likely to get it off the ground, so to speak. Whether it is successful or not, who knows. Their innovative PE was a bit of a flop.
 
NZ designing it themselves is probably more likely to get it off the ground, so to speak. Whether it is successful or not, who knows. Their innovative PE was a bit of a flop.
Their current J seats are pretty awful. All facing the aisle like cattle waiting to be fed. No privacy at all.
 
doubt #4. Airlines want cash. They've already been paid for points/miles through credit cards/other purchases
Points/miles are cash, the airline just moves money from one department (frequent flyer) to the other (domestic/international division) based on the exchange rate of points/miles to cash.
 
While airlines must deal with weight issues far more than surface carriers, anyone who's ever travelled in a European, Indian or elsewhere railways' six berth couchette compartment - three high each side so lower, middle and upper berths (including in Queensland until 'The Sunlander' was replaced by the Tilt Train) knows this concept is hardly novel.

On trains, most passengers eat in their couchette berths. The alternative is to use the lower berth as a seat for three passengers during day travel. However on railways, there's no need for seat belts, and it's easier to balance food and drink than on aircraft (particularly down the back on the latter.)

Lufthansa did some work on railway-style sleeping berths years ago but it never 'flew.'
 
I hope they continue with their "Middle Earth" and LOTR and Hobbit themes..... maybe the beds can be fashioned after something from the movie? Maybe Frodo inspired PJs? Because NZ's LOTR-branding, which is now coming up on 20 years, is not getting tired at all..... :-8
 
I hope they continue with their "Middle Earth" and LOTR and Hobbit themes..... maybe the beds can be fashioned after something from the movie? Maybe Frodo inspired PJs? Because NZ's LOTR-branding, which is now coming up on 20 years, is not getting tired at all..... :-8

Picture palm trees and Dream Liners...

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Indian railways' six berth couchette compartment - three high each side so lower, middle and upper berths knows this concept is hardly novel.

Have traveled in trains in India all my life and enjoy the berth concept. It's the way to travel if you want to spend your day times playing games and have fun with ones cousins :)

But as I grew, age-wise and physically, I found the 3 berth (or 6 sleepers) system gets a bit cramped, personally, I feel claustrophobic. So most of our family's travel in India have been in 2 tier compartments, which means they have only lower & upper sleepers, no middle berth. So a bit more space and bit airy, if you know what I mean.

My mum works for Indian Railways and I got to travel free on air-conditioned first class coach (suite type seating, 4 berths resembling a room with a door to close) until I turned 21. So no more free travel for me now :(

I'm actually doing a train journey in India this year April and mum was able to get air-con first class seats for everyone, except me, and I paid A$100 for my seats

Little info on class system in Indian Raiways - Indian Railways coaching stock - Wikipedia
 
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Often in ULH you don't carry the full load you normally would anyway, so switching out some seats for this concept might work well. In the video they have it set up at the back of the plane, but I could see two of these being set up side by side in the last few middle rows of an aircraft, perhaps even in the forward economy section too. This would give between 12-24 premium beds that could be sold for an extra price on top of the ticket cost and if you can't sell a certain number of seats already due to the nature of the ULH flights, perhaps this will simply fill that space.

I could see it as something like this at the rear of the aircraft, with access from the front and back (or sides). As each pod holds 6 passengers, this would mean the seats directly opposite would be for those sleepers. I realise this means a loss of up to 12 seats, but this would also help lighten the load (assuming the "skynest" doesn't weigh considerably more). That's 12 less seats, passengers and equivalent baggage/catering. Helps the jet fly further and the seats would otherwise be unsold anyway.

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At 58cm wide each, 2 at the narrowest end, will use the width of approximately 3 Economy seats
At 2m long it will use up 2.5 seats (pitch wise), probably 3 seats counting access to the bunks at the foot end.

So 6 bunks will use foot print of about 9 seats.

It will be interesting to see how they will price these.

Not sure how some B & J seats will react to passenger feet, as it stands Business Premier already puts up with unsightly feet in the current herringbone configuration.

:)
 
At 58cm wide each, 2 at the narrowest end, will use the width of approximately 3 Economy seats
At 2m long it will use up 2.5 seats (pitch wise), probably 3 seats counting access to the bunks at the foot end.

So 6 bunks will use foot print of about 9 seats.

It will be interesting to see how they will price these.

Not sure how some B & J seats will react to passenger feet, as it stands Business Premier already puts up with unsightly feet in the current herringbone configuration.

:)
I'm not usually worried about the feet, however every time I fly in J the bloke behind has "other bodily smells" which really pisses me off
 
I assume it’s been a year since they last released this ‘marketing’ plan…

And at ~NZD400 for a four hour block, not really sure they’ll have many Y class takers.
 
Air NZ (and Qantas) are brilliant at this marketing cough. We know the seats/layout on aircraft years before they even launch.

I see this going the way of the original 777-300 PE seat and being removed in favour of more economy rows.
 
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Another NZ marketing gimmick and as henrus has said, they are great at marketing.

NZ should focus on removing those coffin J seats, which they will still have on 787s until 2026 or 2027 and 777's until they are retired around 2026 or 2027...
 

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