Air India B787 crash Ahmedabad

[Rabs97]

This guy talks about something called the FADEC (Full Authority Digital Engine Control) around the 15 minute mark - he tries not to speculate just give information.

Private pilot - never flown anything bigger than a Cessna. Some of the info he mentions (pilot hours) has already been debunked.

He is another of the speculators - quite disliked in the pilot community as he spread false information attacking the pilots of the Toronto CRJ crash.

 

[Rabs97]

Or what about Boeing claiming that the cause of the Lion Air and Ethiopian crash was due to pilot error and inexperience rather than a fundamental design flaw on the MD-737 (dba 737 MAX)? The point being is humans are fallible but the data generally isn’t

The interesting thing is that even after an accident report is published there a still conflicting views, some pilots accept the report, others dispute their conclusions. Accident reports have been proven to have been corrupted, Air NZ at Mt Erebus is a classic example. In Australia there was an infamous case of the Pel Air Norfolk Island ditching where the accident report was found to have multiple errors and omissions and led a Senate inquiry to order the ATSB to redo the investigation.

To this day I still hear some pilots argue the 737 Max incidents, especially ET, were completely recoverable and totally pilot incompetence.

People can never seem to agree on most topics these days and air crashes are amongst them, even among aviation professionals.

 

[Daver6]

All the armchair speculation is just human nature. It's not different to how many AFF'ers who don't work in IT are experts on QF's IT woes

 

[jb747]

I don’t think aviation knowledge plays any role in judging a pilot. Remember when the experts at the NTSB claimed Captain Sully didn’t need to ditch his plane in the Hudson because they got some whiz kids to safely land it in the simulator?

I don't think they really did that though. Adding reaction time into things is a normal aviation trait. I suspect it was mostly movie drama, as if the real thing wasn't dramatic enough.

Or what about Boeing claiming that the cause of the Lion Air and Ethiopian crash was due to pilot error and inexperience rather than a fundamental design flaw on the MD-737 (dba 737 MAX)?

Intentional misleading by Boeing. Very sad display.

The only thing they said was "Mayday". The "no power, no thrust" thing is made up and simply doing the rounds.

Typical.

What's it like over at PPrune?

95% noise, and the occasional gem. Biggest issue is the people who come in at page 20, with a theory that was debunked on page 2!

To this day I still hear some pilots argue the 737 Max incidents, especially ET, were completely recoverable and totally pilot incompetence.

Whilst I've never flown the 737, I had a very good read on the manual trim situation after these events. Anyone who clings to that theory is suffering from a mix of racism and American exceptionalism. The pilots had a good go at handling a very coughty hand. The outcome would have been the same no matter who was doing the flying.

 

[Must...Fly!]

mix of racism and American exceptionalism.

Always a feature of aviation accident commentary. However it's so obvious and without veil that it's clearly noticed, and called out/ignored.

 

[jenib]

All the armchair speculation is just human nature. It's not different to how many AFF'ers who don't work in IT are experts on QF's IT

Agree. It reminds me a bit of Y2K - everyone complained that all the money spent was wasted. They didn't realise that it was a non event because most important things were fixed before they were a problem. At my work 2 minor things were missed - the head of HR was trapped between buildings at midnight because the door system wasn't Y2K compliant and the call centre software stopped working. Neither were life threatening.

There are plenty of things that go wrong that are never 'reported'! Try googling 'zinc whiskers' to see an example my organisation experienced with dramatic effects (again not life threatening but definitely mission critical) Not saying this is anything at all to do with the accident!!! Even people working in an industry don't necessarily know what can go wrong

 

[RSD]

Agree. It reminds me a bit of Y2K - everyone complained that all the money spent was wasted. They didn't realise that it was a non event because most important things were fixed before they were a problem. At my work 2 minor things were missed - the head of HR was trapped between buildings at midnight because the door system wasn't Y2K compliant and the call centre software stopped working. Neither were life threatening.

There are plenty of things that go wrong that are never 'reported'! Try googling 'zinc whiskers' to see an example my organisation experienced with dramatic effects (again not life threatening but definitely mission critical) Not saying this is anything at all to do with the accident!!! Even people working in an industry don't necessarily know what can go wrong

Its a bit like when 2G was turned off - suddenly a lot of equipment that was only equipped with 2G that everyone had long forgotten about became noticed again when things suddenly stopped working!

 

[flyer89]

What's it like over at PPrune?

The thread was locked a few days ago. Answer your question?

 

[DC3]

You'd be amazed at how many people, with only the tiniest bit of actual aviation knowledge, think they can judge pilots.

 

[RSD]

Timely video just appeared in my Youtube video which shows what @jb747 was explaining a few pages back about the landing gear retraction having stopped very early in the sequence. 787-9 landing gear retraction