Air India B787 crash Ahmedabad

[flyer89]

What would they investigate? The odds against the multiple failures might be immense, but so were the odds against a random oxygen bottle explosion. And someone wins lotto each week. I’m not hearing anything from my 787 contacts.

Beats me. VH addressed a small group who were gathered for unrelated reasons a few days ago.

 

[Saab34]

Qantas are just saying what they want to hear.

If they had invested more in local engineering capability then they wouldn’t be concerned if any fleet wide checks are to be ordered, because they have the people on the ground here to get stuff done quickly. They made those decisions to cull so they can reap what they sow for all I care.

No doubt any costly grounding they will use an attempt to further push down wages, outsource, or lay off higher paid workers. They have form in this space.

Management remuneration is the forefront of all decisions!

 

[Warragul]

Qantas are just saying what they want to hear.

Thats if anything at all was said ( about 787 safety).
The context of the 'rumour' is important, if it's at the club over a schooner and $20 schnitzel & chips, then it's relationship to reality is tenuous.

 

[jb747]

I’ve seen QF’s response to major incidents in the past, RdC’s for example. Information came quickly from the Chief Pilot, as you’d expect. There was total silence from the various CEOs, simply because they don’t know, and are simply SLF as far as the pilots are concerned. So if VH were to pop up and said what’s been inferred here, I’d immediately wonder what is being hidden.

You cannot read anything into Boeing’s silence. They came out and blamed pilot error for at least one of the MAX crashes, and then still sat on information about MCAS until it was forced out of them. They have form, but whether it’s involved here is a complete unknown.

 

[kangarooflyer88]

There are four high power buses, each fed by a different generator.

How likely is it that four do so? Apparently at the same time.

Very unlikely indeed. I mean with that type of redundancy you would not expect a failure of this type. However, aircraft have been brought down by the failure of redundant systems due to freak causes like United 232. All I am saying is these aircraft weren’t built by amateurs obviously there will be redundancies in place. But Boeing cannot account for all freak accidents that can happen nor can they account for all the ways an airline operating their aircraft are negligent when it comes to maintenance.

 

[jb747]

Thats if anything at all was said ( about 787 safety).
The context of the 'rumour' is important, if it's at the club over a schooner and $20 schnitzel & chips, then it's relationship to reality is tenuous.

Do a bit of research on the whisper program against Captain Peter Burkill within BA after the 777 accident at Heathrow.

 

[mjt57]

Do a bit of research on the whisper program against Captain Peter Burkill within BA after the 777 accident at Heathrow.

This bit probably sums it up:

"He said: "They'd (cabin crew) been told by their training school that I hadn't done a number of things in the flight - that I'd actually frozen and hadn't done anything in the flight deck,"

How would these people know what happened on the flight deck?

Geez, there really are some nasty people out there.

His book came up when searching his name. I think that I shall buy it.

 

[jb747]

How would these people know what happened on the flight deck?

You'd be amazed at how many people, with only the tiniest bit of actual aviation knowledge, think they can judge pilots.

I guess the same applies to many other careers/jobs/skills.

I was on a crew bus, not long after QF30, and I overheard one CC say to another "It wasn't a real depressurisation". I've wondered ever since, what a real one is.

 

[kangarooflyer88]

You'd be amazed at how many people, with only the tiniest bit of actual aviation knowledge, think they can judge pilots.

I don’t think aviation knowledge plays any role in judging a pilot. Remember when the experts at the NTSB claimed Captain Sully didn’t need to ditch his plane in the Hudson because they got some whiz kids to safely land it in the simulator? Or what about Boeing claiming that the cause of the Lion Air and Ethiopian crash was due to pilot error and inexperience rather than a fundamental design flaw on the MD-737 (dba 737 MAX)? The point being is humans are fallible but the data generally isn’t

 

[dairyfloss]

I was on a crew bus, not long after QF30, and I overheard one CC say to another "It wasn't a real depressurisation". I've wondered ever since, what a real one is.

Oh, you know - those ones in the movies where everyone gets sucked out of the plane after a bullet pierces the fuselage

 

[Phoenix-1]

One interesting detail was the Mayday call - "Mayday, Mayday no power... no thrust... going down"

It could be nothing, but the words "engine failure" weren't used. Did the engines cease working - or were had they just rolled back to idle? There was the JAL incident a few years ago where both engines rolled back during landing - was that JAL aircraft part of the same suspect batch of 787's?

The only thing they said was "Mayday". The "no power, no thrust" thing is made up and simply doing the rounds.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1933286370614915097

If you look at the official statement from DGCA, they only say the pilot said "Mayday" and then there was no further response

https://twitter.com/x/status/1933808000277328031

 

[Quickstatus]

What's it like over at PPrune?

 

[RSD]

I guess the same applies to many other careers/jobs/skills.

I was on a crew bus, not long after QF30, and I overheard one CC say to another "It wasn't a real depressurisation". I've wondered ever since, what a real one is.

Monday morning quarterbacking is rife in other industries where critical decisions need to be made instantly - firefighting especially.

I'd hate to be on a plane that experiences whatever they define as a real depressurisation then!

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The only thing they said was "Mayday". The "no power, no thrust" thing is made up and simply doing the rounds.

Many thanks for setting the record straight on that - I wasn't aware that the extra words that were supposedly part of his Mayday message weren't actually there.

 

[RSD]

What's it like over at PPrune?

I'm guessing it is probably like the rest of us and the Youtubers - quickly moving from one theory to the next one to the next one...

I think that we are really at the point now where we are running out of rabbit holes until the FDR and CVR has been interpreted and a report is put out.

 

[mjt57]

I was on a crew bus, not long after QF30, and I overheard one CC say to another "It wasn't a real depressurisation". I've wondered ever since, what a real one is.

Probably when you're sucked out of the aircraft, chewed up by the engine nearest your unplanned exit and spat out over the Pacific, I guess.

Oh, what's a "CC"?

 

[DejaBrew]

Oh, what's a "CC"?

Guessing Cabin Crew?

 

[mjt57]

Monday morning quarterbacking is rife in other industries where critical decisions need to be made instantly

In my industry an event might occur. Data loggers will spit out a tonne of information. The engineers would then comb the printouts with an electron microscope.

A few days later the chap in charge when the event occured would be asked: "at 13:02.022 (yes, the resolution is that good), x happened. Why didn't you respond to it?"

Mind you, a screen that displays faults and alarms could run to many pages. This particular alarm might've been on page 6 of 10, for example and no-one would've seen it.

When I read RdC's book on QF32 I totally empathised with what Matty Hicks was going through. He was responding to what we call "alarm flooding" in my industry as systems failed and all sorts of false alarms were being initiated and he was trying to work through them all.

At work when this happens, we're in a control room which isn't moving (although outside the door there's a 400t machine spinning at 3,000 RPM) so there is no imminent danger of dying.

I can only imagine the feeling that a pilot would experience in such a situation. It reminds me of the saying, "I'd rather be down here wishing that I was up there, than being up there and wishing that I was down here".

 

[lovestotravel]

What's it like over at PPrune?

Junk

 

[Warragul]

Remember when the experts at the NTSB claimed Captain Sully didn’t need to ditch his plane in the Hudson because they got some whiz kids to safely land it in the simulator

Did they? The NTSB report says that the successful simulator landings were when action was taken immediately after engine failure. Adding a 35 second delay for 'real world considerations', a landing was not successful in the simulator.

Section 1.16.3
NTSB Report pdf

The movie on the other hand....

 

[NZflygirl]

What's it like over at PPrune?

They've closed the thread a couple times so the mods can weed out all the junk and it gives people time to read the thread before posting. some 100's of posts down someone inevitably brings up the flaps not out theory Then a theory comes along and later someone else smacks it down The basic facts haven't changed but there certainly have been some informative posts.