Air France - any feedback?

[NYCguy]

I think the point is that it is a bit rough to join a forum and attack a member for his lack of carrier & class experience when you have no experience of the carrier.

He's talking to YOU, troll.

Oh, and welcome to AFF. That's some first-impression you have made there.

 

[Judge Dee]

I think the point is that it is a bit rough to join a forum and attack a member for his lack of carrier & class experience when you have no experience of the carrier.

Actually, I was pointing out that agfox46's suggestion to leny that he/she check Skytrax for comments by people who had actually used AF Economy was more useful than a member slagging off Skytrax & stating that AF Economy was ok when he'd only used AF First! Apparently, I'm a troll (see NYC***'s latest posting) for suggesting that & challenging his assurance that there are no differences when flying with airlines with the same Star rating

 

[Judge Dee]

He's talking to YOU, troll.

Oh, and welcome to AFF. That's some first-impression you have made there.

Apparently length of membership hasn't stopped you from becoming an unpleasant elitist!

 

[agfox46]

Children, children...please!

Leny, no need to apologise - I hope you found something of interest in the Skytrax website. While some people do tend to post comments which reflect unreal expectations many comments seem to me to be well-considered & useful when researching travel with an airline or through an airport that you may be using for the first time.

Judeg Dee, thanks for your support but, in my short time as a member, I've found it best just to make a response to clarify anything of contention by other members & leave it at that.

simongr, until his/her last post, I don't think Judge Dee was attacking NYCGuy but merely pointing out that, while not having travelled Y class on AF disqualifies anyone from commenting on such travel, if a member is seeking specific advice then it's more useful to post if you've used the airline/class of service.

NYCguy, I doubt if calling Judge Dee a troll is likely to improve the general tone of the posts which, as we all may want to recall, was to provide leny with advice re travel in Y on AF.

 

[Keith009]

Apparently, I'm a troll (see NYC***'s latest posting) for suggesting that & challenging his assurance that there are no differences when flying with airlines with the same Star rating

I think NYCguy's point was that there are no significant differences when flying in Economy (there's a reason why it's called 'whY class' on this forum) which is an entirely valid point. I'd add that this would be true of most airlines that I've experienced - whether 3 stars or 5 stars. You get a seat that's of below average in comfort at best - and tbh everything else in whY plays 2nd fiddle to the seating really. Even having Michelin-starred cuisine or the best of wine lists won't distract me from the fact that I'm stuck in an uncomfy seat. It's really not more than just transportation and my expectations when flying whY are adjusted accordingly.

And I do not know how it is justifiable to put down someone for having no experience of a specific airline's class of service when that person was merely airing his thoughts of that particular class of service in general terms, when you yourself have entirely no experience of the same thing.

 

[Judge Dee]

I think NYCguy's point was that there are no significant differences when flying in Economy (there's a reason why it's called 'whY class' on this forum) which is an entirely valid point.

Then I'd refer you to my earlier post about flights With Qantas in a seat with 31" seat pitch compared to Malaysian flights with 34" seat. To someone of my age, the difference in comfort level is obvious. Clearly, a number of people who post to Skytrax DO recognise differences in the quality of Y class travel between airlines of the same rating.

And I do not know how it is justifiable to put down someone for having no experience of a specific airline's class of service when that person was merely airing his thoughts of that particular class of service in general terms, when you yourself have entirely no experience of the same thing.

The whole point of this thread was to provide information to leny. Agfox46 provided a useful reference (to Skytrax) re Y-class travel. How useful was the next post dumping on Skytrax, making a sweeping generalisation about Y travel in all 4-star airlines & stating that AF First was ok?

I've read posts on AFF for some time & NCYguy is hardly a shrinking violet when it comes to his comments - his calling me a troll above indicates that he's quite willing to descend to personal abuse in response to questions about the correctness or relevance of information contained in his posts.

Unfortunately, while the majority of posts are both informative & entertaining, there's a hint of an 'old boys club' mentality by a small number of members. Also, like other forums, so long as members adhere to the rules/regulations, seniority should not afford any more rights than those applicable to members who post for the first time.

 

[Keith009]

Then I'd refer you to my earlier post about flights With Qantas in a seat with 31" seat pitch compared to Malaysian flights with 34" seat.

Thankfully during the times I'm unlucky enough to be stuck in whY I've been able to snag the emergency exit rows. *knocks on wood*

The whole point of this thread was to provide information to leny. Agfox46 provided a useful reference (to Skytrax) re Y-class travel.

I wasn't going to get started on Skytrash, but I think the general consensus on both here and many other frequent flyer forums I frequent is that the content on that website is to be treated, at best, with a grain of salt for reasons NYCguy cited and other reasons that I won't bother to delve into lest I start ranting. Whilst it is an interesting website it is hardly the bible on airline quality either.

I've read posts on AFF for some time & NCYguy is hardly a shrinking violet when it comes to his comments...

I could say the same thing about your debut posts right down to the very first one on AFF but I wouldn't...

 

[Keith009]

leny - I am sorry that your thread has been taken way off topic, and I sincerely apologise for having contributed to that OT-ness.

Regarding Korean Air - I think you might find the Korean Air board on Flyertalk to be a most useful resource on the airline:
Korean Air Skypass - FlyerTalk Forums

I tried doing a search of the Trip Reports section on FT but unfortunately the search function seems to be down for me at the moment - you might find some good stuff there by doing a search when the search function is next up.

Have a great trip, and the AFF Trip Reports section eagerly awaits your contribution upon your return!

 

[NM]

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Ok, time to keep this one on topic. Discussion about other posters is unnecessary. Feel free to continue posting information or comments as responses to Leny's original question.
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[drron]

Hopefully you will allow another question about AF though.NYCguy do you have any info on AFs J cabin.I have a short haul in Asia in that cabin as it was only about $10 dearer than Thai in Y.

 

[NYCguy]

Hopefully you will allow another question about AF though.NYCguy do you have any info on AFs J cabin.I have a short haul in Asia in that cabin as it was only about $10 dearer than Thai in Y.

I have done several trans-Atlantic sectors in AF Biz, and it has always been quite comfortable. Do you know which aircraft will be operating the service? Most of the 777 fleet has the new Affaires cabin, which has comfortable lay-flat seats (albeit at a bit of an angle). They are comparable to the QF Skybeds, only with less aesthetic appeal. In fact, although the cabins are in good repair and spotless, they are a little 'boxy' looking.

AF cabin service in C is quite good, with the occasional mauvaise humeur in evidence, though if you can converse with them in French; even rudimentary French will do; they usually take a shine to you. The catering is pretty good in C, and the wines (as one would expect) are of French origin, and excellent quality (UA, please take note - passengers in C and F know when a bottle of wine costs more than $30!).

If the C fare on AF is only $10 more than the Y fare on TG, I'd certainly be taking the AF flight.

 

[drron]

Mate my French is so good that every time I went into a restaurant in Paris and said Bon Nuit the immediate response was "the english menu for Monsieur".I can mutilate 42 languages at last count.
But I am sure it is a 777.
Thanks for the response.I will report my experience.