Air Canada Severe Turbulence - Chinese Hit the Roof

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Try in the USA - often the seat belt sign is on for long periods when there is no apparent reason.

Many many PAX will simply ignore the sign after a while, generally to visit a lavatory. FA's don't seem to care.
 
Try in the USA - often the seat belt sign is on for long periods when there is no apparent reason.

Many many PAX will simply ignore the sign after a while, generally to visit a lavatory. FA's don't seem to care.

I had this both on my Hawaiian Airlines BNE-HNL and return HNL-BNE trip in June. The seatbelt sign was left on the entire 9/10hr trip, and there was no real turbulence. Makes a mockery of the sign really - people (including myself) obviously needed to use the toilet during the flight, and I didn't see any FAs ask anyone to sit down when people moved around the cabin - was very strange.
 
I had this both on my Hawaiian Airlines BNE-HNL and return HNL-BNE trip in June. The seatbelt sign was left on the entire 9/10hr trip, and there was no real turbulence. Makes a mockery of the sign really - people (including myself) obviously needed to use the toilet during the flight, and I didn't see any FAs ask anyone to sit down when people moved around the cabin - was very strange.

Was meal service ongoing? In a genuine situation where turbulence is anticipated services are suspended temporarily.
 
Was meal service ongoing? In a genuine situation where turbulence is anticipated services are suspended temporarily.

Yep, no service interruptions either - full meal services. They did say (on both flights, two weeks apart) there was an FBI warning issued for no congregation of people around galleys. I think they just left the seatbelt sign on to try and make people stay seated, but for a 9/10hr trip it's completely unacceptable, and causes a 'cry-wolf' situation if any real turbulence was encountered.
 
Yep, no service interruptions either - full meal services. They did say (on both flights, two weeks apart) there was an FBI warning issued for no congregation of people around galleys. I think they just left the seatbelt sign on to try and make people stay seated, but for a 9/10hr trip it's completely unacceptable, and causes a 'cry-wolf' situation if any real turbulence was encountered.

It is confusing for passengers.

I think Qantas is the best airline when it comes to the seat belt policy. When the sign's on it means everyone, crew included, are to be seated. There's no confusion.

Other airlines treat the seat belt sign as a convenience/advisory/risk management tool. With the odd time it actually needs to be used thrown in.

On many airlines the crew still move about when the sign is on, and indeed on some airlines the seat belt sign is merely an indicator that preparations for descent have started (but pax are not required to be seated at that stage).

I think FAA wise all passengers are required to comply with lighted signs and placards regarding seat belt use. And from what I can gather, cabin crew are required to advise passengers the seat belt sign is on (enforcement), but if pax are willing to accept the risk (eg they need to go to the WC urgently), they are able to do so.
 
You just need to put your seat belt on when seated, we do it in cars and don't give it a second though.

Chinese people don't. (in a generic sense) They contest and fight putting on seat belts in cars as well. In all the Chinese people I know, which is quite a few - only one is like us on seat belts - and the rest see them as a pointless accessory that infringes on their freedom.

Chinese people do not respect or even often know what a seat belt sign is for on a plane.

It is very common in any flight from or to China (or within), the Chinese nationals on the flight will all stand up and start to get their bags out of the overhead lockers before all wheels are on the tarmac - been there, seen it - is a commonly discussed issue.
 
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It is confusing for passengers.

I think Qantas is the best airline when it comes to the seat belt policy. When the sign's on it means everyone, crew included, are to be seated. There's no confusion.

This is not entirely true. During preparation for landing the cabin crew are often moving around even when the seat belt sign is on. In addition, I have also witnessed different warning following the illumination of the sign, in some cases the CSM simply reminds all passengers and crew to be seated (and the crew are in no hurry to sit down), while in other cases the Captain tells all passengers and crew to be seated "immediately".
 
What's really amazing to me, is the number of passengers who simply ignore the seat belt sign....even to the extent of standing up during the take off roll.

I remember on an Air China flight from SVO-PEK once, a Chinese passenger decided to stand up & get their bag from the overhead locker just before we were about to touch down. Makes you wonder what goes on in their heads. :shock:
 
This is not entirely true. During preparation for landing the cabin crew are often moving around even when the seat belt sign is on. In addition, I have also witnessed different warning following the illumination of the sign, in some cases the CSM simply reminds all passengers and crew to be seated (and the crew are in no hurry to sit down), while in other cases the Captain tells all passengers and crew to be seated "immediately".

Yes, and in flight long haul (at least) if the seat belt sign is illuminated, after the sign has been on for a while with no further turbulence , there is a bit of discretion given in the J and F cabins for pax to move about.
 
This is not entirely true. During preparation for landing the cabin crew are often moving around even when the seat belt sign is on. In addition, I have also witnessed different warning following the illumination of the sign, in some cases the CSM simply reminds all passengers and crew to be seated (and the crew are in no hurry to sit down), while in other cases the Captain tells all passengers and crew to be seated "immediately".

All that really changes within the QF system is the amount of time that the cabin crew have to be seated.

On approach, the signs will come on automatically (in some cases), and at about 2,500' in the remainder. That's when you hear a comment from the FSD telling crew that the aircraft is about to land, and to be seated. They should be already, but it's the last call.

In flight, we often see the weather coming a long way out, and will give a warning to the crew that the signs will be coming on in x minutes. That gives them a chance to put the carts, etc, away. If the signs are turned on, and the PA does not include the word immediately, it tells the cabin crew that they have 60 seconds to be seated. Immediately means exactly that, and any seat will do.

No service is allowed when the signs are on, nor are the cabin crew allowed to be moving around, other than what's necessary to secure the cabin.

Having flown on many other airlines, I find their seat belt policies to be very strange...and almost designed to teach passengers that they mean nothing.
 
Try in the USA - often the seat belt sign is on for long periods when there is no apparent reason.

Many many PAX will simply ignore the sign after a while, generally to visit a lavatory. FA's don't seem to care.

On a recent AA flight this happened. Seat belt sign stayed on the entire time trolley service occured. Then the FO came out to use the toilet with seatbelt sign still on

This was on a CRJ900
 
I nearly always hear a collective sigh on domestic flights here when the seatbelt light is turned off. It's almost like the sound of a couple of dozen fat people loosening their belts after a big dinner.

I'm also annoyed by all the people who slip off the belt as we approach the gate. I'm always hoping the pilot will jam on the brakes to avoid something and give them all a shock. I notice that Aus pilots won't turn off the light until I hear the sound of the engine powering down (or whatever that is) whereas in the US they seem to flick the light as soon as we are close to the gate.
 
.....I notice that Aus pilots won't turn off the light until I hear the sound of the engine powering down (or whatever that is) whereas in the US they seem to flick the light as soon as we are close to the gate.

We are looking for clean engine shutdowns...I once had an engine that wouldn't, so the bridge could not be moved until we sorted that out. Plus, we need all of the doors to be disarmed, and we'll check that too. Then the signs can go out.
 
Whilst we have to wait for the official report, I dare suspect, like many others, that most if not all of the injured weren't wearing their seatbelts. Those injured while belted up were likely either only lightly injured and/or injured by flying debries, including unbelted passengers.

That said, I remember several long hual flights (7-13 hours) where the seatblet sign just seemed to be left on by default. Whilst the pilots obviously know more about the weather ahead than the passengers, the use of the sign did seem excessive to the turbulence present (at least compared to similar turbulance on other airlines). Airlines, possibly with a little firm assistance from civil aviation authorities, need to ensure that the sign is used properly. Of course, use it when turbluence is present, but don't expect hundreds of passengers to sit belted up for 10+ hours without being able to use the toilet just in case.

It is very common in any flight from or to China (or within), the Chinese nationals on the flight will all stand up and start to get their bags out of the overhead lockers before all wheels are on the tarmac - been there, seen it - is a commonly discussed issue.

Best effort I've seen at ignoring any sort of common sense was standing up the moment the rear wheels hit the tarmac on landing. Not even waiting for front wheel to come down. Needless to say there was a Great Wall between the passenger and a basic understanding of laws of motion.

I've seen plenty of this on flights to and from China and on domestic PRC flights too.

Chinese people don't. (in a generic sense) They contest and fight putting on seat belts in cars as well. In all the Chinese people I know, which is quite a few - only one is like us on seat belts - and the rest see them as a pointless accessory that infringes on their freedom.

Chinese people do not respect or even often know what a seat belt sign is for on a plane.

The obstacles may even be passengers who did the right thing and had their seat belt on. So people need to think about other people and not be selfish. You just need to put your seat belt on when seated, we do it in cars and don't give it a second though.

In China, apart from some taxi drivers who viewed my attempts to wear the seatbelt as some sort of insult, I have also been in several private vehicles where the owners have put in decoy seatbelt buckles so that the car doesn't make an alarm sound when someone sits in a seat without using a seatbelt.

That's before we even get to "driving" methods. Want to steal a march on the trafffic jam in front of you? Just pass the cars in front by driving on the footpath! If any uppity pedestrians dare to use the path for its intended purpose, just keep driving while blaring your horn at them. As long as you blow your horn, you can do whatever you want, it seems.

Try in the USA - often the seat belt sign is on for long periods when there is no apparent reason.

Many many PAX will simply ignore the sign after a while, generally to visit a lavatory. FA's don't seem to care.

To me this is a dangerous practice and should be cracked down upon. It's just crying wolf, as others have said. No point blaming the passengers for not wearing seatbelts if your pilots/company policy have been working their hardest to make the warning sign meaningless in the hours before the incident.
 
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We are looking for clean engine shutdowns...I once had an engine that wouldn't, so the bridge could not be moved until we sorted that out. Plus, we need all of the doors to be disarmed, and we'll check that too. Then the signs can go out.

I thought there was a good reason for this. I guess the US airlines are obsessed with saving time, not that you'd know it when you see how long they take to empty a plane!
 
What's really amazing to me, is the number of passengers who simply ignore the seat belt sign....even to the extent of standing up during the take off roll.

I have never observed any passenger standing up during take off, whether on JQ, QF, TT, VA or a host of foreign airlines on which I have travelled. Admittedly one cannot see the whole seating configuation from one's seat though. Is this a reference to what occurs on flights operated by mainland Chinese-registered airlines, or a general comment including about what occurs on QF flights?
 
Seen it twice on AA on (different) domestic USA flights. Both the exact same circumstance. Aircraft has taxied out, turned onto the runway and paused prior to the take-off roll. Passenger on aisle seat near to me stands - one started moving towards the front (toilet, presumably), other started to access overhead bins. Both times passengers immediately around them reacted and sort of shooed them to sit down.

I think they may have been tourists. ;)
 
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Have seen this on a few occasions on S7, CX, QF, and SQ and on each occasion they appeared to be non English speaking people new to travel. Mainly have seen them try to walk back towards the toilet and or get something from the bin whilst taxiing out and on one occasion during the take off roll itself. More common however when on final approach for landing or immediately after touch down and prior to exiting the runway.
 
I have certainly seen pax get up at about the time of touch down,occasionally before.Usually in Asia but last year on AY with a Chinese tour group.
The most unusual though was a German(I think) backpacker couple who on an RJ BKK-AMM flight came up from Y and entered the J loo.Yes together.After landing and as the door was about to be opened they both appeared from the loo to get off first.Didn't do them much good as at a remote stand and they were denied boarding to the J bus and had to wait for the economy bus.
 
I have seen it once during take off roll on a CX flight from SYD. The FAs screamed at the woman to get seated immediately in English, Mandarin and Cantonese.
 
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