Advanced Seat Selection no longer just a QFF benefit (if you want to pay)

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trippin_the_rift

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Advanced Seat Selection no longerjust a QFF benefit (if you want to pay)

So my mum (bronze) has a new booking which I tried the seat selection out on. She is able to select as far forward as row 29 on a a330.

Would this be the equivalent of a silver FF?
 

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So my mum (bronze) has a new booking which I tried the seat selection out on. She is able to select as far forward as row 29 on a a330.

Would this be the equivalent of a silver FF?

Well I can’t tell you anymore, but as a Gold I can see as far as row 25 on an A330… though I have 45J^ :D so that would seem right for a Silver I’d expect.
 
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For many people, the cost of flying is still quite high. As I work 2 hours from Dubbo, I don't do many flights. The cost to fly Qantas Dubbo / Sydney Friday night, back Sunday night is between $430 to $555 for 20 SC (work that out on a cost / SC!)

Please don't assume that, because people are still NB, they're "not showing loyalty to the airline".

I agree. Paid my own way on SYD-PER (20SC's one way too) vv on Red eDeals and only just managed to scrape through to Silver years ago. A mate of mine got work to pay for his fares (full Y, 40SC's one way) and hit Gold easily.
 

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I agree. Paid my own way on SYD-PER (20SC's one way too) vv on Red eDeals and only just managed to scrape through to Silver years ago. A mate of mine got work to pay for his fares (full Y, 40SC's one way) and hit Gold easily.

Qantas, as any company does, decided on a metric to reward 'Frequent Flyers'.

NB may show their loyalty by taking their 2-3 flights a year on QF, and QF reward them with Frequent Flyer points.

PS/SG/WP are obviously travelling a lot more, so QF (and other companies) then reward the more regular 'loyal 'travellers with more benefits.

I think loyalty and frequency are confused here. There's a natural tendency here to confuse frequent flying with loyalty. Flying only QF, even 1-2 times a year, is loyal. It just doesn't make QF the money they want to see from a pax to grant them more benefits.

Frequent Flyer tiers are designed to enhance the travel experience for a fly-often loyal, not the fly-occasionally loyal traveller.

I don't believe that people who fly once a year should be given carte blanche to select seats. Nor do I feel that those people who fly a lot should have their benefit of preferred seat selection removed from them by said former travellers.

If NB travellers want the perks, do the miles. PS is easier than ever to attain, and if you are flying 6-7 times a year, it's very very easy to attain and retain it.

(And yes I know people will say YUPP/KUPP people don't contribute all that much to QF, but QF implemented the system, so they're obviously happy with it, and have set the minimum 4 flight on QF metal rule).
 

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Looks like it has and I note QF have published a FAQ that confirms zones are in place:

Which makes things interesting for bassinet rows:

I have just booked myself another trip to LHR on the A380. Prior to the changes implemented this week, as SG i was without fail automatically allocated to the bassinet Row's of 50 or 51 at the time of my booking. Generally seat 50C or 51H.

Since the changes, the closest I can now get to the front of whY is Row 53.

No doubt this means that Rows 50-52 are now locked out to those of us that aren't WP.

It shall be interesting to see what opens up for me at T-80.

Like Markis10, I am also interested to see how the front of whY looks "in real life" with respect to babies in the bassinets.
 

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NB may show their loyalty by taking their 2-3 flights a year on QF, and QF reward them with Frequent Flyer points.

PS/SG/WP are obviously travelling a lot more, so QF (and other companies) then reward the more regular 'loyal 'travellers with more benefits.

I think loyalty and frequency are confused here. There's a natural tendency here to confuse frequent flying with loyalty. Flying only QF, even 1-2 times a year, is loyal. It just doesn't make QF the money they want to see from a pax to grant them more benefits.

Frequent Flyer tiers are designed to enhance the travel experience for a fly-often loyal, not the fly-occasionally loyal traveller.

Exactly right!

Through this thread there's been a lot of NBs saying "Oh, but I AM loyal. I take my 2-3 flights a year with QF/JQ! Where's my reward?"

You get miles. That's your reward.

You want status in a FREQUENT FLYER scheme? Then be a FREQUENT FLYER. 2-3 times a month is frequent. 2-3 times a year is middle class with disposable income, not frequent.
 

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You want status in a FREQUENT FLYER scheme? Then be a FREQUENT FLYER. 2-3 times a month is frequent. 2-3 times a year is middle class with disposable income, not frequent.
Or just once a year - promo JQ *C MEL-SIN with a *C SYD-MEL connection, return. That's 320SCs for about $1k - easily affordable by most middle-class.

Assuming the A333 is an international flight, and is not heavily booked, row 29 is about consistent with the bronze level. But then, when I was QPNB, I was able to pre-select row 27 or 28, and then moved to 23 a couple of days before departure.
 

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Or just once a year - promo JQ *C MEL-SIN with a *C SYD-MEL connection, return. That's 320SCs for about $1k - easily affordable by most middle-class.

Assuming the A333 is an international flight, and is not heavily booked, row 29 is about consistent with the bronze level. But then, when I was QPNB, I was able to pre-select row 27 or 28, and then moved to 23 a couple of days before departure.

That is 3 separate flights, totally attainable. However you need at least 4 sectors to qual to go up from NB to PS.
 

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That is 3 separate flights, totally attainable. However you need at least 4 sectors to qual to go up from NB to PS.
1. SYD-MEL
2. MEL-SIN
3. SIN-MEL
4. MEL-SYD
Or am I mistaken? Still, if they are one flight short, a red e-deal somewhere would've gotten this person PS at a very low cost.
 

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1. SYD-MEL
2. MEL-SIN
3. SIN-MEL
4. MEL-SYD
Or am I mistaken? Still, if they are one flight short, a red e-deal somewhere would've gotten this person PS at a very low cost.

Depends if the SYD/MEL legs are the same flight number or not, and on the same booking at that.
 

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I know I'm going to get caned for this, and I'm not writing this to offend, but I can't see that this is a bad thing for Frequent Flyers - if you're SG or WP then you get access to a pile of seats that people that pay $20 don't get access to, so you're getting the same rights to sit that you always had. People paying $20 are not going to snare your seats, until very close to the flight time.

71D/80A/80K on the A380 is going to be affected by this, I understand, but are SG/WP going to be massively affected? It's seems relatively value neutral for me as a WP - and it's extra value for a NB - extra money for QF to continue to remain profitable and provide me with the WP services I appreciate.

Or am I really off the mark here?
 

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In my opinion, I don't believe you are off the mark at all Beardoc. I mentioned earlier that I have gone from an automatic row 50-52 in whY on the A380 and am now only able to get as close to the front as row 53. That being said, it doesn't worry me in the slightest, as I have the opinion that WP's deserve the benefits more than i do because they have 'payed' for the privilege.

As for QF making money from this - I say good on them. Hopefully it gives them a few more dollars to keep them from the business model of the American airline industry, which seems to be a race to the bottom.
 

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Hmmm just about to reserve my seats AND pay for them even though I have been a Qantas Club member for years - ugh. Anyway - you can't just pick and choose what flight you want to reserve seats on. For example - I don't want to reserve a seat on JFk - LAX but you must reserve them to move on through the seat selection.

Does anyone else know how I can just reserve LAX - MEL and MEL - LAX?

Thanks!
 

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No matter - just found the answer in the small print under 'help'.

You have to book for EVERY flight.

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With all due respect, that's kind of the point of a loyalty program. NB members haven't shown the airline enough loyalty to deserve anything from them, and providing benefits to higher tier members is meant as an incentive for you to move to a higher level.

And I can say this having been a long-term NB & QPNB member. You don't get something for nothing, and frankly nor should you.


There are a great many other members who, for no fault of their own receive very little benefit from their QFF membership despite flying regularly. For instance, Commonwealth and State employees who fly regularly with QF. They mostly fly fully-flexible on domestic routes, and J class on international routes. Their departments generally assume all their points, and they receive no SCs for these flights.

This makes them neither dis-loyal nor second rate citizens as you infer. Maybe in future you should think rather than post nonsence.

Bush
 
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I know I'm going to get caned for this, and I'm not writing this to offend, but I can't see that this is a bad thing for Frequent Flyers - if you're SG or WP then you get access to a pile of seats that people that pay $20 don't get access to, so you're getting the same rights to sit that you always had. People paying $20 are not going to snare your seats, until very close to the flight time.

71D/80A/80K on the A380 is going to be affected by this, I understand, but are SG/WP going to be massively affected? It's seems relatively value neutral for me as a WP - and it's extra value for a NB - extra money for QF to continue to remain profitable and provide me with the WP services I appreciate.

Or am I really off the mark here?

I agree. :)
 

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There are a great many other members who, for no fault of their own receive very little benefit from their QFF membership despite flying regularly. For instance, Commonwealth and State employees who fly regularly with QF. They mostly fly fully-flexible on domestic routes, and J class on international routes. Their departments generally assume all their points, and they receive no SCs for these flights.

This makes them neither dis-loyal nor second rate citizens as you infer. Maybe in future you should think rather than post nonsence.

Bush

This is the closest I have ever come to hitting the hateful "Like" button.
 
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There are a great many other members who, for no fault of their own receive very little benefit from their QFF membership despite flying regularly. For instance, Commonwealth and State employees who fly regularly with QF. They mostly fly fully-flexible on domestic routes, and J class on international routes. Their departments generally assume all their points, and they receive no SCs for these flights.

This makes them neither dis-loyal nor second rate citizens as you infer. Maybe in future you should think rather than post nonsence.

Bush

Bush,

Whilst I don't disagree, but the government has decided seeing as they are paying for all these flights, that they would rather pay less and not provide the public servant with fringe benefits.

I don't want to get into the argument of who's more loyal - the flyer who pays his own fare, or the flyer who gets J international on the taxpayers tab? But it is a relevant point to consider in conjunction with your relevant point - IMHO.

With the exception of public servants travelling on the taxpayers' dime - other travelers are rewarded for more "frequent travel" through status recognition and benefits.

QF decided on this "arbitrary" metric - not Winchester.
 
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As Commonwealth employees, we do get status credits just not points.
 
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