Abbott in Government

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weeel yes… but most folks don't seem to have access to such detailed and intellectually precise, insight.
sooo .. as we are all somewhat in the dark about these nonsenses being propagated by our pm , surely it is in the interest of all for someone of your obvious intellectual " status" to elucidate us ?
 
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Well I agree with there being nonsense propagated.Anyone see Ms.Plibershreik on Insiders this morning.What a pathetic performance.
 
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Well I agree with there being nonsense propagated.Anyone see Ms.Plibershreik on Insiders this morning.What a pathetic performance.

Agreed she's absolutely hopeless.
 
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Abbott talking nonsense...

perhaps you could explain this in a little more detail for those who may have missed it ?
That would have been the part where he enthusiastically told the world not only were we bugging your phone, but we were justified in doing so, we're going to keep doing it, and **** you for daring to complain about it.
 
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Well I agree with there being nonsense propagated.Anyone see Ms.Plibershreik on Insiders this morning.What a pathetic performance.


Do you mean this interview :- Tanya Plibersek joins Insiders - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

I thought Tanya was very considered and restrained in her language about the appalling way the government has mishandled this situation. The fact that you call it a "pathetic performance" with no actual rebuttal of anything she said exposes the complete vacuum of intelligence in your commentary.

Why don't you try playing the ball for a change, eh?
 
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Agreed she's absolutely hopeless.

Just to be clear, did you ....

A. See the interview and thought TP got it completely wrong.
B. Didn't see the interview, but know from experience that TP is good at making conservatives look stupid. So you hate her.
C. Don't know who Tanya Plibersek is, but like agreeing with dron
 
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Just to be clear, did you ....

A. See the interview and thought TP got it completely wrong.
B. Didn't see the interview, but know from experience that TP is good at making conservatives look stupid. So you hate her.
C. Don't know who Tanya Plibersek is, but like agreeing with dron

It was a bill Shorten performance as when he said I don't know what she said but I fully support what the PM said.
TP knew that what TA has done is wrong but didn't know why he was wrong and couldn't say what he should do.
I even later read the transcript here-
Insiders - 24/11/2013: Tanya Plibersek joins Insiders - Insiders - ABC

Says a lot that you thought that was considered.
Neither she nor you know what has been going on in private by TA.And that is the way diplomacy must be tackled.Not caving in to biased public pressure.

Of course all of us also don't know what advice TA is getting from DSD and all other intelligence operatives.So saying that TA is speaking nonsense is just a reflection of the fact that those saying it just don't like TA.
 
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I'm still waiting to find out what confected means.
 
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It was a bill Shorten performance as when he said I don't know what she said but I fully support what the PM said.
TP knew that what TA has done is wrong but didn't know why he was wrong and couldn't say what he should do.
I even later read the transcript here-
Insiders - 24/11/2013: Tanya Plibersek joins Insiders - Insiders - ABC

Says a lot that you thought that was considered.
Neither she nor you know what has been going on in private by TA.And that is the way diplomacy must be tackled.Not caving in to biased public pressure.

Of course all of us also don't know what advice TA is getting from DSD and all other intelligence operatives.So saying that TA is speaking nonsense is just a reflection of the fact that those saying it just don't like TA.

Not sure if you've got the hang of this yet, dron. In particular the convention is to reply to posts directed at you - not other people. But moving forward ...

Tanya commented on the facts we know (that Tony Abbott has made a complete hash of the Indonesian relationship - both before and after the election), and did not comment on the things we don't know (the contents of the letter TA sent). She was also adamant in her refusal to say what diplomatic steps needed to be taken as those are things (rightly) in the governments court. In summary, she refuse to play partisan politics but just wished (as we all do) that Despicable T would pull his head in if he doesn't have the ability to navigate these complex issues.

That was what I meant by "considered". And you should consider what Scum Morrison would be vomiting forth on the issue if the situation was reversed. Now that truly would be pathetic!
 
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You are joking Moody.Not playing partisan politics?LOL.
Now if TA was to play partisan politics he would have just apologised saying it was all the fault of K Rudd band the Ministers who signed off on the order to bug the phones as he definitely would have been briefed on that.
But the fact is(using the definition of fact that you put forward-ie your opinion is a fact) Tony Abott is the one putting national interest ahead of partisan political gain.

And since when are people not allowed to reply to what they consider an inaccurate expression of fact even though that might be directed to another poster.
 
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Lol so I guess he won't be as keen for a double dissolution now

He wouldn't know how to spell it - he'll continue to take instruction from President Credlin as usual.
 
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He wouldn't know how to spell it - he'll continue to take instruction from President Credlin as usual.

Now that is funny.Prior to September TA was the worst misogynist in the world.Now he takes his orders from a woman!
 
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You are joking Moody.Not playing partisan politics?LOL.
Now if TA was to play partisan politics he would have just apologised saying it was all the fault of K Rudd band the Ministers who signed off on the order to bug the phones as he definitely would have been briefed on that.
But the fact is(using the definition of fact that you put forward-ie your opinion is a fact) Tony Abott is the one putting national interest ahead of partisan political gain.
Can you expand a bit on how making Indonesia - a reasonably large trading partner (and set to grow) and popular tourist destination for Australians - angry, is in the national interest ?
 
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Can you expand a bit on how making Indonesia - a reasonably large trading partner (and set to grow) and popular tourist destination for Australians - angry, is in the national interest ?

Well if you don't believe our agencies did the right thing - then your mates in the ALP can apologise for authorizing it (although bad idea IMHO).

You can also blame the US for not securing their data.

You can also blame Mr Snowdon for being the treasonous weasel that he is and perhaps support a drone strike where needed.

However - of course angry Indonesia is not ideal, but this government didn't cause the problem, and has to keep it's options open for future revelations.

Not that I'm keen to blame the former ALP government either. The fault is primarily the US.

But your partisan view of the world clearly prevents any chance of an objective analysis - and you wonder why you fail to persuade any others to your biased view of the world (to which you are perfectly entitled).
 
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Can you expand a bit on how making Indonesia - a reasonably large trading partner (and set to grow) and popular tourist destination for Australians - angry, is in the national interest ?

It was not Tony Abbott who published the bugging story.
It was not Tony Abbott who authorised the bugging.
It was all the work of your boys and girls.

And has Obama's apology been a 100% success-the Germans had a security delegation in Washington last week to try and get further facts.
The Snowden leaks have also shown thousands of phones in the UK,France,Spain and Mexico have been bugged and no apologies there.

Your statements are not fact just your opinion.Even those opinions being held by a majority of journalists does not make them facts.

My opinion is that Australia's security should be a bipartisan thing.Your boys and girls are trashing that to their shame.
 
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