AA to fly JFK-HND

[drron]

This will give some of us another option on *ONE* fares.
American Airlines Awarded Right to Fly From New York Kennedy to Tokyo (Haneda), the Busiest Airport in Asia - May 7, 2010=

FORT WORTH, Texas, May 7 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- American Airlines, a founding member of the oneworld® Alliance, received authority today from the U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) to operate daily, year-round scheduled service from New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport to Tokyo International Airport at Haneda (HND), starting Oct. 1, 2010.

However the HND-JFK timing would not appeal to me.

From JFK to Haneda:
Depart at 7:20 p.m.
Arrive at 10:20 p.m. (next day)
From Haneda to JFK:
Depart at 7:00 a.m.
Arrive at 6:50 a.m. (same day)

 

[docjames]

This will give some of us another option on *ONE* fares.
American Airlines Awarded Right to Fly From New York Kennedy to Tokyo (Haneda), the Busiest Airport in Asia - May 7, 2010=

Does this connect to anything from AUS? I thought most went into NRT which means an overnight AND an airport transfer if wanting to use to connect to JFK from BNE/SYD/MEL. Also, with JAL dropping BNE, it wont be easy for you to connect drron....

 

[drron]

Does this connect to anything from AUS? I thought most went into NRT which means an overnight AND an airport transfer if wanting to use to connect to JFK from BNE/SYD/MEL. Also, with JAL dropping BNE, it wont be easy for you to connect drron....

But we generally stopover in Tokyo so it is convenient.JAL also will be picking up some HND slots though I think these are more tourist routes such as HNL and SFO.So yes no good for connecting in Japan

 

[anat0l]

drron, interesting news.

I wonder what HND is like inside as an airport (although I haven't been to NRT either...)

Certainly, same-day connections would be troublesome at best due to flights being spread across NRT and HND. If oneworld could all move to HND then that would make things easier (although there are a lot of slots which are up for grabs, including possibly VA servicing SYD-HND).

And yes drron I agree that the timing on the flights isn't pretty. It isn't very optimal as far as timing and planning goes (leave one evening and arrive the next evening even later? What a loss and uncomfortable timing) and it will wreck on the human body.

 

[dajop]

Certainly, same-day connections would be troublesome at best due to flights being spread across NRT and HND. If oneworld could all move to HND then that would make things easier

And, did I read somewhere that even using different airports in same city consumes one of the 16 segments (ie NRT-HND a surface segment)?

 

[anat0l]

And, did I read somewhere that even using different airports in same city consumes one of the 16 segments (ie NRT-HND a surface segment)?

I believe that was a recently introduced rule to that effect - need confirmation on this, but not good

 

[serfty]

And, did I read somewhere that even using different airports in same city consumes one of the 16 segments (ie NRT-HND a surface segment)?

I believe that was a recently introduced rule to that effect - need confirmation on this, but not good

This is certainly the case - and is not recent.

I believe it happened early 2008.

 

[NYCguy]

... The HND-JFK timing would not appeal to me.

It would appeal, however, to those passengers wishing to get in a full days work in New York or Tokyo, and on the return leg one could do a full days work before heading out to JFK, or a decent sleep before arriving back at JFK in time to go home, then go do some work.

AA are probably pitching the service firmly at the business-traveler market, and I doubt whether the concerns of passengers connecting to/from Australia, or passengers planning OWE itineraries, were high up on the list of considerations. When I was traveling to TYO regularly, I would have found the times much more convenient than arriving via NH at NRT at around 3.30pm and having to leave at around 12midday on the trip back. Connections on to PEK or SHA would have been a little trickier.

And that's before considering whether the convenience of arriving at HND is worth flying AA F in lieu of NH F. Hmm... Probably not.
HND is MUCH more convenient to central Tokyo than NRT, as has been previously stated. I have only flown into/out of Terminal 2 (ANA, and a couple of bit-players), but there is a fancy new International terminal opening around October this year.

 

[docjames]

It would appeal, however, to those passengers wishing to get in a full days work in New York or Tpkyo, and on the return leg one could do a full days work before heading out to JFK, or a decent sleep before arriving back at JFK in time to go home, then go do some work.

AA are probably pitching the service firmly at the business-traveler market, and I doubt whether the concerns of passengers connecting to/from Australia, or passengers planning OWE itineraries, were high up on the list of considerations. When I was traveling to TYO regularly, I would have found the times much more convenient than arriving via NH at NRT at around 3.30pm and having to leave at around 12midday on the trip back. Connections on to PEK or SHA would have been a little trickier.

And that's before considering whether the convenience of arriving at HND is worth flying AA F in lieu of NH F. Hmm... Probably not.
HND is MUCH more convenient to central Tokyo than NRT, as has been previously stated. I have only flown into/out of Terminal 2 (ANA, and a couple of bit-players), but there is a fancy new International terminal opening around October this year.

Have to agree 100% with NYCguy - the timings would appeal to many business travellers. (Edit: those based US East Coast or TYO, not necessarily Aus or other parts of Asia)

Y Class? Arrive at night and have a nights sleep, or arrive in AM and have a day off before meetings.
J or F - arrive at night (as with Y) or arrive in AM and go straight to meetings.

Sux for connections, but one would think AA wont have too much trouble filling the a/c and wont need the onward traffic.

Which a/c are they going to use? Presume a 777 - do AA have 300ERs or LRs?

 

[mannej]

AA have 777-200ER's

 

[dajop]

Sux for connections, but one would think AA wont have too much trouble filling the a/c and wont need the onward traffic.

Depends on where from, was thinking it could be a nice little tie for redemption on SQ from SIN to/from HND and onwards on AA to/from JFK. Depends of course on which terminals they go from and whether SQ & AA interline as outbound is only 1:15 connection.