A380 Production Sadness

[straitman]

Actually I quite liked the Macchi....

Agreed though the more powerful engine option would have been better.

 

[harvyk]

Have you ever owned a French car !

Yes, and it's about the age of the first A380's.
And yes, I've had some very expensive parts break down on it. (Peugeot alternators and gearboxes aren't cheap)

 

[Forg]

Had Peugeots for years. Went forever. Fiat 128 for 130K km. Alfas well...

“Buyers of new Holden cars report the most faults in the first four years, a consumer advocacy group has found.

More than two-thirds (68 per cent) of Australians who bought a new Holden experienced at least one problem in that time, CHOICE reportedon Monday.

Ford ranked second-worst, with 65 per cent of new car buyers reporting at least one defect, followed by Audi with 62 per cent.”

Australian consumers name faultiest car brands | The New Daily

With a new Commodore, the leather trim on the steering wheel would peel, the radio volume-knob would fall off in your hand & the rear-vision mirror would fall into your lap. This is in the first two weeks of ownership, and similar things would keep happening for the next 20 years while you service it using the cheapest olive-oil available at Woollies & heck who needs an air-filter anyway?

With a French car, however, even when it’s under a year old a turbine-blade will explode & shoot into the passenger cabin & hopefully not slice the occupants into little pieces while the engine’s on fire.

 

[cambriamarsh]

They're a beautiful car. I used to have a Alfa 147, but couldn't bring myself to buying another Alfa. As much as I loved it, too many things broke.

The Guili seems much better

 

[BAM1748]

With a new Commodore, the leather trim on the steering wheel would peel, the radio volume-knob would fall off in your hand & the rear-vision mirror would fall into your lap. This is in the first two weeks of ownership, and similar things would keep happening for the next 20 years while you service it using the cheapest olive-oil available at Woollies & heck who needs an air-filter anyway?

With a French car, however, even when it’s under a year old a turbine-blade will explode & shoot into the passenger cabin & hopefully not slice the occupants into little pieces while the engine’s on fire.

Why the Japs and Koreans are so successful.

Back to the 380. Apart from the front on hideous look, as pointed out they have similarities to a euro car. It's $50m more to buy than its competitor and cost more to operate.

 

[moa999]

This thread has gone way off topic - and my 02 Alfa 147 is still going strong, albeit needs an expensive timing belt change

Interesting on airliners, general though is that SQ #1, #2 are getting scrapped but #3 still to Hi-Fly

 

[suze2000]

Then Airbus could do the stretch that the wings were originally designed for, the improved sidewalls allowing 11 across (unfortunately) and new age materials, and you probably have an aircraft that continues to be cost competitive (when full) against the big twins.

Except with 11-across in Y, it loses its advantage for the passenger and will still not provide the hoped-for yields, because people will vote with their bums and choose a more spacious configuration.

 

[odysseus]

Except with 11-across in Y, it loses its advantage for the passenger and will still not provide the hoped-for yields, because people will vote with their bums and choose a more spacious configuration.

Except they don't at present, hence the multitude of 9 across 787s and so on. And it would still have a more spacious interior overall. So if that's the way they're voting it would still get more demand.

 

[suze2000]

Yes I know. But I have hope, as a coworker (thin, athletic and 5'3" or so) complained today about just this kind of thing and how uncomfortable she was in her Swissair flight and how she's much more cluey now than she used to be about such things. And she's what I would describe as a small person!

 

[moa999]

While I don't like it, either 11 across and a new engine happens in the A380

Or the line closes for good

Airlines won't buy an aircraft with higher cost per seat mile

 

[Flying Fox]

Not sure if this has already been reported but -

Scrapped: First A380 superjumbos to be broken up for parts

Negotiations with British Airways, Iran Air and Hi Fly, a Portuguese charter specialist, ended without any deals, German investment fund Dr. Peters, which manages the planes, said in a statement to shareholders. The aircraft are already parked in the foothills of the French Pyrenees, where they will be filleted over the next two years by a specialist company and sold in parts.

I wouldn't mind some cheap pieces for furniture but I'm sure that the price would be beyond my budget.

 

[odysseus]

Yes, that's news from June. As it mentions towards the end, it said the 5th may still be sold to hi-fly, which subsequently turned out to be.

 

[Altair]

Yes more A380 are being returned at expiry of leases, AF to halve their A380 fleet, so lots of parts will be around. EK and SQ I am not surprised that they return them after 12 years or so which has been standard practice for all their aircraft.
I do not know how the lease companies thought they could make money out of the A380, and 747-8 as it was clear the numbers were going to be small and very limited second hand market.
I do not think their will be a NEO. Too risky for the engine manufacturers and RR have serious financial pressures due to their engine issues and prior investments in low production models.
Does anyone know if the A380 RR engine has been modified for non-A380 use eg. ground based power generation or marine engines like the RB211?

 

[Flying Fox]

QF have officially cancelled their last 8x A380s that were on Airbus' order books. I don't think that this is a surprise to anyone.

Qantas cancels outstanding order for eight A380s - Australian Aviation

 

[Daver6]

Is there a cost to cancel for QF?

 

[Colster]

https://www.smh.com.au/business/com...d-doubts-on-jet-s-future-20190207-p50w95.html

Been coming for a long time...

 

[docjames]

Surprised they didn't turn some of the costs involved in the cancellation into an order for A350XLR or A320/1s......


Or maybe they have and it just isn't announced yet.

 

[moa999]

Is there a cost to cancel for QF?

In normal circumstances - most likely that you'd lose a deposit.

But it's all subject to negotiation, and with the possible EK cancellation and line shutdown, the reconfiguration work that Airbus is undertaking, Project Sunrise and the 350-1000 and even future 320 orders, I'm sure Qantas could negotiate most of it away.

 

[opusman]

Yeah I don't think that surprises anyone. It doesn't have the range to do SYD-LHR which is where QF wants to go.

 

[SeatBackForward]

Yeah I don't think that surprises anyone. It doesn't have the range to do SYD-LHR which is where QF wants to go.

It probably does have the range, just not a commercially viable range.