2025 F1 Thread

The full report makes for interesting reading. Shows that RBR was really grasping at straws on this one and comes across as sour grapes.

The Claims of Red Bull -:
  1. Red Bull claimed that during a safety car deployment the driver of Car 63 had braked unnecessarily along the back straight between turns 12 and 13 as a result of which Car 1, which was following Car 63, overtook Car 63 and then dropped back behind Car 63 after Car 63 accelerated.
  2. Red Bull also alleged that by complaining over team radio that Car 1 had overtaken him under safety car the driver of Car 63 had ‘displayed unsportsmanlike intent’.
  3. The driver of Car 1 said that he was taken by surprise by Car 63’s sudden braking on the straight and had no alternative but to overtake Car 63 momentarily.
  4. Red Bull tendered telemetry showing the throttle and brake applications of each Car.
  5. Red Bull suggested that it could be inferred from the fact that Car 63’s onboard showed the driver looking in his mirrors before he braked that he knew Car 1 was immediately behind and he braked to force Car to overtake to force an infringement by Car 1.
  6. Red Bull suggested that the driver of Car 63 complained about the overtake on his team radio knowing that it would be overheard by race control and in the hope that Car 1 would be investigated.
  7. They also suggested that it must have been obvious to the driver for Car 63 that the race would end under safety car such that it was unnecessary for Car 63 to maintain heat in tyres and brakes.
Mercedes’ arguments in defence:
  1. The driver of Car 63 explained that:
    • periodic braking is commonplace and to be expected during safety car deployments to ensure that temperature is maintained in tyres and brakes;
    • on the back straight he found himself catching the safety car. He pointed to in-car video which showed him gesticulating with his hand which he said was to signal to the safety car driver to speed up;
    • he braked where he did for two reasons. First to ensure he kept a gap to the safety car. Secondly, to keep temperature in his brakes and tyres;
    • he looked in his mirrors before he braked to check whether Car 1 was immediately behind and only braked after he saw that Car 1 was to the side;
    • his telemetry showed that the brake pressure he applied was 30psi which he said was not severe;
    • the driver of Car 1 ought to have anticipated that he might apply brake to keep heat in his brakes and tyres;
    • it is not the responsibility of the Car ahead to look out for the following Car in any event;
    • by pointing out to his team that Car 1 had overtaken he was not intending to provoke an investigation into Car 1;
    • he did not know that the race would definitely end under safety car.
  2. Mercedes submitted that what the driver of Car 63 had said over team radio was nothing other than factual. The team lodged no complaint with race control about the Car overtake because the position was given back by Car 1.
  3. Mercedes also tendered telemetry showing brake patterns of both Car 63 and Car 1 on several laps under safety car which they said showed that the driver of Car 1 had been braking on the same straight on other laps under the safety car – which they said showed that what the driver of Car 63 was unremarkable.
Submissions of the FIA:
  1. [FIA Representative, Tim] Malyon explained that the incident had been observed by the race control team and assessed to not warrant being reported to the stewards. He said that periodic braking under safety car is typical and to be expected. He said that for this reason, race control always allows a degree of tolerance with respect to the 10 car length rule recognising that there is a need for a reasonable degree of braking and acceleration.
Conclusions of the Stewards:
  1. Having regard to the evidence of Mr Malyon, we accept the driver of Car 63’s explanation of the incident and we are satisfied that the driver of Car 63 did not drive erratically by braking where he did or to the extent he did.
  2. We are not satisfied that by simply reporting to his team that Car 1 had overtaken that he engaged in unsportsmanlike conduct.
  3. Even though the protest did not allege it, we are also satisfied that by braking where and when he did and to the extent he did, the driver of Car 63 did not engage in unsportsmanlike conduct.
Decision:
  1. The Protest is rejected as it is not founded.
  2. The Protest Deposit is forfeited.
 
Read our AFF credit card guides and start earning more points now.

AFF Supporters can remove this and all advertisements

A bunch of others nearly got one for overtaking AFTER the Chequered Flag but the track was in Safety Car Mode...including PIA and ANT. Stewards gave them a warning.
I think some drivers and radio advisors need to read the rulebook.

RUS was clearly trying to milk one under the Safety Car with VER who always stays close under restarts and nearly succeeded. The stewards saw through that one.

RIP Guiseppe...guess he wasnt faster than HAM but still faster than STR.
 
How much is the protest deposit?
€2000 if I’m not mistaken.

So does that mean it’s a DNF-5 sec?
Not exactly… Because he completed over 90% of the race distance (meaning he was classified as 18th, instead of a complete DNF), the five seconds were simply added to his final race time. It means that on paper, he “retired” five seconds later than he actually did on track. Crucially for young Lando, the penalty remained solely a time penalty and wasn’t converted into a grid drop for the Austrian Grand Prix.
 

Become an AFF member!

Join Australian Frequent Flyer (AFF) for free and unlock insider tips, exclusive deals, and global meetups with 65,000+ frequent flyers.

AFF members can also access our Frequent Flyer Training courses, and upgrade to Fast-track your way to expert traveller status and unlock even more exclusive discounts!

AFF forum abbreviations

Wondering about Y, J or any of the other abbreviations used on our forum?

Check out our guide to common AFF acronyms & abbreviations.
Back
Top