2.5M+ passengers delayed landing at BNE over the last year

[Mal]

More than 2.5 million air passengers have experienced delays landing at Brisbane Airport over the past year | The Courier-Mail

MORE than 2.5 million passengers have been caught up in flight delays at Brisbane Airport over the past year, but the airport's owners claim it can handle hundreds of extra aircraft every day.

The Courier-Mail has learnt more than 500,000 passengers on Qantas flights alone have been inconvenienced by delays in being able to land, as the airport gains an interstate reputation for hold-ups.

The figures come as tension builds among passengers fed up with delays and the impasse over the much-needed parallel runway, the long-term solution to the gridlock that would damage the state's economy.

Oh, Brisbane Airport. what a mess!

 

[anat0l]

Re: More than 2.5 million air passengers have experienced delays landing at Brisbane

I think the incompetence of the BAC as well as the relevant governments on Brisbane Airport doesn't need further qualification, but from an objective point of view, is it really fair to compare year long statistics against last week's arrival statistics, given the rather inclement weather we have had.

 

[Katie]

Re: More than 2.5 million air passengers have experienced delays landing at Brisbane

Based on my sister's cranky FB messages on Thursday nights, I'm not surprised ...

 

[samh004]

Re: More than 2.5 million air passengers have experienced delays landing at Brisbane

We were delayed coming back this evening from LRE, though that was weather related... but if there were 2 runways, surely the impact would be less?

 

[Boris spatsky]

Re: More than 2.5 million air passengers have experienced delays landing at Brisbane

I fly to BNE at least 4 times a month - i factor in at least an hour delay everytime. I don't recall the last time we didn't get holding.

One active runway for a major int'l airport - you have gotta be kidding me.

 

[Berlin]

Re: More than 2.5 million air passengers have experienced delays landing at Brisbane

I've twice now decided to fly into OOL instead and then drive up which went well both times and might be the safer option at the moment!

 

[sjd]

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I've flown in and out of BNE almost every week for the last 12 months so I think I qualify as 50 of the disgruntled 2.5 million. Last night flying in from MEL the Capt said "those of you familiar with flying into Brisbane will understand that we have been put into a holding pattern..."

 

[drron]

Re: More than 2.5 million air passengers have experienced delays landing at Brisbane

But who is to blame for these delays?
BAC say they are only operating at 50% capacity.If so surely something funny is going on.Could it be BAC trying to increase the pressure on the airlines to fund the second runway?

 

[QFflyermelbourne]

Re: More than 2.5 million air passengers have experienced delays landing at Brisbane

Definitely an interesting question to ponder. People seem to forget that Gatwick is a single runway operation and handles far more traffic than Brisbane. According to the stats I can see, Gatwick handled 34 million more passengers last year than Brisbane and can handle 55 movements an hour on one runway.

What is the BAC response to that?

 

[Deleted member 29185]

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Could it be BAC trying to increase the pressure on the airlines to fund the second runway?

Oh no! Surely this could not be true!!!!!

That was sarcasm in case anyone was wondering. I wish big business would stop seeing customers as pawns.

Personally I enjoy using GC where I can. If VA was bright, they'd start increasing the loading out of OOL and MCY with frequent and cheap connections and decrease out of BNE. I'm sure markis10 will be able to tell us the availability with OOL and MCY but that'd hopefully stuff BACs little red caboose a bit.

 

[JohnK]

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Good to see the delays getting some air time.

I have been doing this for ~5 years and I cannot remember more than 3 flights in a row where I did not have a delay.

In fact my 2 only flights since coming back from Thailand have been delayed out of BNE on Friday and back into BNE on Sunday. I also have a suspicion my SIN-BNE flight Friday morning also had some delays as the times do not add up.

Yesterday was a good one. Delayed flight into SYD which meant we took off late and then holding pattern as we got into BNE. Lucky I was able to sleep for most of the flight.

 

[iRobbo]

Re: More than 2.5 million air passengers have experienced delays landing at Brisbane

Definitely an interesting question to ponder. People seem to forget that Gatwick is a single runway operation and handles far more traffic than Brisbane. According to the stats I can see, Gatwick handled 34 million more passengers last year than Brisbane and can handle 55 movements an hour

At the moment BNE is a single runway operation. It is the second busiest single runway operation, behind Gatwick. How many movements an hour do you think BNE has? It's not that far behind Gatwick. Passenger numbers aren't necessarily a good indicator of how busier an airport is (think aircraft types and how many they hold).

Having said all that, the airport is basically operating at capacity. Obviously when demand exceeds capacity there will be delays. The parallel runway should have been ready several years ago.

Samh004, to answer your query: if there is bad weather and an instrument approach is required, the cross strip won't help. You can't process traffic to both runways in that instance without ensuring separation in the 'go round' if it is required. Therefore the spacing required is similar to processing for single runway. Also makes it difficult for Tower to depart an aircraft, making allowances for the go around.

 

[samh004]

Re: More than 2.5 million air passengers have experienced delays landing at Brisbane

Samh004, to answer your query: if there is bad weather and an instrument approach is required, the cross strip won't help. You can't process traffic to both runways in that instance without ensuring separation in the 'go round' if it is required. Therefore the spacing required is similar to processing for single runway. Also makes it difficult for Tower to depart an aircraft, making allowances for the go around.

You mention the cross strip, which I understand is undergoing repairs/improvements, but if they had 2 parallel runways, this wouldn't be an issue, assuming they were appropriately spaced?

I recall previously the cross strip couldn't handle smaller aircraft at night anyway because of a lack of lights, so probably wouldn't be much use in good weather unless they upgrade the lights?

Back to the main issue of the second parallel runway, does BAC solely own the airport, or do airlines such as Qantas own terminals or other parts? I recall they own their own hangars? I ask merely because, if they're seriously keen on increasing taxes because of their poor planning to get the second parallel runway operating in time, perhaps airlines would be more willing to invest money if they got a piece of the airport, be that with no rent for a lounge because they own the space, or a slice of parking revenues. I know the master plan includes more than a runway, so BAC can easily make money in other ways.

 

[iRobbo]

Re: More than 2.5 million air passengers have experienced delays landing at Brisbane

You mention the cross strip, which I understand is undergoing repairs/improvements, but if they had 2 parallel runways, this wouldn't be an issue, assuming they were appropriately spaced?

Sorry, misunderstood your initial query. You are correct with this statement, parallel will minimise delays.

Cross strip at night will not happen again I suspect. Not sure it has much to do with the lights but they be a factor.

I have no idea who owns what on the airfield.

 

[sjd]

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The cross strip is operational again. My flight this afternoon from LRE landed on it. Must have only just happened as we queued for at least fifteen minutes to take off on Tuesday morning in a Dash8. The woman sitting next to me did not know that there was only one runway and said something that a few people have said. "I thought there'd be one for domestic and one for international."

 

[samh004]

Re: More than 2.5 million air passengers have experienced delays landing at Brisbane

The cross strip is operational again. My flight this afternoon from LRE landed on it. Must have only just happened as we queued for at least fifteen minutes to take off on Tuesday morning in a Dash8. The woman sitting next to me did not know that there was only one runway and said something that a few people have said. "I thought there'd be one for domestic and one for international."

That's good new for my morning flights tomorrow, but will arrive back in the evening, so anticipate some circling.

 

[Boris spatsky]

Re: More than 2.5 million air passengers have experienced delays landing at Brisbane

The cross strip is limited in it's application still though, after the incident a few years ago. They need that parallel built, and quickly (yep, 7 years away!!)

 

[Mal]

Re: More than 2.5 million air passengers have experienced delays landing at Brisbane

The cross strip is limited in it's application still though, after the incident a few years ago. They need that parallel built, and quickly (yep, 7 years away!!)

Remember funding hasn't even been found for it .... Yes, plenty of money for BAC to build carparks, but no money to build an essential piece of infrastructure. Hmmm.

At least the Government is now watching.

 

[pangwen]

Re: More than 2.5 million air passengers have experienced delays landing at Brisbane

At the moment BNE is a single runway operation. It is the second busiest single runway operation, behind Gatwick. How many movements an hour do you think BNE has? It's not that far behind Gatwick. Passenger numbers aren't necessarily a good indicator of how busier an airport is (think aircraft types and how many they hold).

Interesting that Gatwick's site (Gatwick Facts and Figures) says San Diego is the world's second busiest single runway airport. Out of date perhaps?

 

[jetlagger]

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Remember funding hasn't even been found for it .... Yes, plenty of money for BAC to build carparks, but no money to build an essential piece of infrastructure. Hmmm.

At least the Government is now watching.

Interesting to observe that the multi storey car parks were built at a phenomenal speed as well.