100ml Liquids Limit and Jetstar Check-in

[SimonM]

When Mrs Roopaw headed off to Auckland on Thursday, the very pleasant JQ check-in person asked if she had any liquids or gels. She did and as she was flying carry-on only, they had to be below the 100ml limit.

And that's the thing. The JQer insisted the limit was 99ml and that 100ml and over was a problem. In fact, I believe that the limit is 100ml and that 101ml and over is prohibited. I was sure I was right, still think I am, but didn't want to stress my better half by making a 'thing' of it.

Five minutes later, the JQ lounge lady confirmed I was right and even checked it with her husband, who apparently is an official in these matters and he confirmed that 100ml would have been OK. However, too late as I had the bottles and was away home.

So, if you're flying Jetstar, you should be able to take those 100ml containers.

 

[anat0l]

When Mrs Roopaw headed off to Auckland on Thursday, the very pleasant JQ check-in person asked if she had any liquids or gels. She did and as she was flying carry-on only, they had to be below the 100ml limit.

And that's the thing. The JQer insisted the limit was 99ml and that 100ml and over was a problem. In fact, I believe that the limit is 100ml and that 101ml and over is prohibited. I was sure I was right, still think I am, but didn't want to stress my better half by making a 'thing' of it.

Five minutes later, the JQ lounge lady confirmed I was right and even checked it with her husband, who apparently is an official in these matters and he confirmed that 100ml would have been OK. However, too late as I had the bottles and was away home.

So, if you're flying Jetstar, you should be able to take those 100ml containers.

More examples of JQ staff ineptitude.

All check-in staff I've had - of any airline - who ask the LAG question always state it as, "Do you have any liquids or gels that are over 100mL?" Of which the correct answer (if you want to board your flight) is "no". Not sure how the JQ c/in lady asked it but I'm surprised that this whole shenanigan about the 100mL rule came into the conversation.

In any case, the JQ lady was clearly wrong - the rule is 100mL or less - and this rule is clearly printed at screening points in Australian international airports, the Australian Government's travel security website:

Liquids, aerosols and gels

...and the Gold Coast Airport's website links to the same information.

I have flown JQ a number of times from international terminals and have never had any problems with this rule. In some cases, I was not even asked the question about LAGs.

 

[serfty]

When the USA first introduced these rules the limit was "3 US fluid ounces"

Since 3oz is ~88 ml it casued plenty of issues with all those 'European' 100ml containers.

Eventually common sense prevailed and the limit was increased to 3½ Oz (~105 ml).

 

[anat0l]

When the USA first introduced these rules the limit was "3 US fluid ounces"

Since 3oz is ~88 ml it casued plenty of issues with all those 'European' 100ml containers.

Eventually common sense prevailed and the limit was increased to 3½ Oz (~105 ml).

Yeah well we all know LOTFAP is a backwards country anyway, still foolishly clinging onto the Imperial system and refusing to accept the Metric.

 

[Jeffrey O'Neill]

watch ya words laddy.

my mum still wants evrything covereted from that stupid new system :mrgreen:

 

[Dave Noble]

Yeah well we all know LOTFAP is a backwards country anyway, still foolishly clinging onto the Imperial system and refusing to accept the Metric.

And what is wrong with imperial measurements? they provide the same fucntionality for normal use. metric may be simpler in scientific calculations, but it is no better or worse than metric. Same as with temperature, neither fahrenheit nor celcius is better for measuring weather temperatures

 

[NM]

And what is wrong with imperial measurements? they provide the same fucntionality for normal use. metric may be simpler in scientific calculations, but it is no better or worse than metric.

Now, why am reminded of a discussion on the merits of metric time?

Same as with temperature, neither fahrenheit nor celcius is better for measuring weather temperatures

Indeed you are absolutely correct. The best thing for measuring weather temperatures is indeed a thermometer .

 

[anat0l]

And what is wrong with imperial measurements? they provide the same fucntionality for normal use. metric may be simpler in scientific calculations, but it is no better or worse than metric. Same as with temperature, neither fahrenheit nor celcius is better for measuring weather temperatures

Every country in the world has adopted the metric / SI system of units as a standard except for three. One of them is the US, the other two are far from any global influence or superpower.

You can already see the confusion caused by people trying to state / enforce rules in lbm vs. kg, or fl. oz. vs. mL. I'm not going to even go so far as to quote two examples of where metric vs. Imperial has caused major incidents.

There is nothing wrong with the Imperial system per se, except that in a day in age where we work in a numbering system that is mostly decimal, SI units makes the most sense to use. Also with metric units, there are less base units to remember (everything else is just multiplicative, i.e. prefixes). Why should we continue to be so doting as to learn another confusing system of units for the sake of 360 million people (out of 6+ billion worldwide) who do not care about world's best practice?

Travel Advisories (USA): Learn Imperial system

 

[Dave Noble]

There is nothing wrong with the Imperial system per se, except that in a day in age where we work in a numbering system that is mostly decimal, SI units makes the most sense to use. Also with metric units, there are less base units to remember (everything else is just multiplicative, i.e. prefixes). Why should we continue to be so doting as to learn another confusing system of units for the sake of 360 million people (out of 6+ billion worldwide) who do not care about world's best practice?

350 million out of 6 milliard people is approx 6% of the population and is a rather large single group of the overall population.

Just that others use metric does not make it best practice , just common practice. BOTH systems will work , one is not inherently better than the other

It is only confusing to those that haven't learnt it. Same as those that are used only to imperial can find metric confusing. Being multi lingual on measurements and neither causes an issue. Whether it be 14.7 psi, 1 Atmosphere or 101325 Pa or 760mm Hg , they all are equally understandable

 

[SimonM]

We've got a tad OT, but why not:

At school in England in the late 60's, early 70's, I seem to remember being told that we were the first year to be taught entirely in SI.

However, even with that and 40 year since, I still think in MPG, pump up my tires to 30PSI, gauge blocks by whether they're larger or smaller that a 1/4 acre and I'm still 5 foot 11 and half.

Everything else metric though.

 

[anat0l]

Well I graduated as an engineer so we're expected to be cognisant of the dark side, i.e. Imperial system. I at least know that water freezes at 32 degF and boils at 212 degF, and anything higher than 100 degF and you've got a temperature. I know a bit more than that, such as the gravitational constant in ft/s^2, although I will admit I do not know off-by-heart the number of psi in a standard atmosphere (I always have to look that one up).

To drag this slightly back on topic, I have to say that the security gurus around the world certainly were pretty stupid until they realised they needed some sort of measure on gels, creams, or other substances which were not measured using capacity units (e.g. mL) but in mass units (e.g. g). At least now, the Australian security standard seems to be that you assume the standard density of water and do the conversion that way (i.e. assume that 1g = 1mL).

 

[opusman]

To quote Grandpa Simpson, "The metric system is the tool of the devil! My car gets forty rods to the hogshead, and that's the way I likes it."

 

[anat0l]

To quote Grandpa Simpson, "The metric system is the tool of the devil! My car gets forty rods to the hogshead, and that's the way I likes it."

To quote the line thereafter, "The old man's remarks will be stricken from the record!" :mrgreen:

 

[nlagalle]

Not quite OT but:

in Aviation:

Speed in knots
Distance in Nautical miles
Height in feet
Horizontal separation in metres!

And I remember when I flew back from England one time, when the a/c was in Russian airspace it went to metres for height and speed was in KM.. that was pre 9/11 when you could sit in the coughpit!

 

[TimB]

More OT...

in Aviation:

Speed in knots
Distance in Nautical miles

At least this is consistent: knots being nautical miles per hour.

As for one of the major incidents involving metric/imperial confusion, read about the Gimli Glider - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

 

[anat0l]

Even more OT...

As for one of the major incidents involving metric/imperial confusion, read about the Gimli Glider - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

And here's another one:

Mars Climate Orbiter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And wouldn't you believe it but there are actually activist groups out there that actively oppose metrication, sometimes to the point of trying to prove that it is illegal to force metrication on people. Here is one of them (UK based):

http://www.activeresistance.org.uk/

 

[straitman]

Not quite OT but:

in Aviation:

Speed in knots
Distance in Nautical miles
Height in feet
Horizontal separation in metres!

And I remember when I flew back from England one time, when the a/c was in Russian airspace it went to metres for height and speed was in KM.. that was pre 9/11 when you could sit in the coughpit!

Within the aviation industry there are quite a few other examples. A very simple however common one is altimeter pressure settings. These can be imperial, metric or in some cases both :!:

 

[straitman]

Now possibly a good time to get back 'On Topic' :shock:

 

[nlagalle]

Within the aviation industry there are quite a few other examples. A very simple however common one is altimeter pressure settings. These can be imperial, metric or in some cases both :!:

Yes good point, I had forgotten about that one! Altimeter in metric and manifold vacuum in imperial!

 

[dude_mcdude]

This seems so typical of a jetstar employee. They seem to have a serious lack of communication around jetstar.

maybe add your story at dontflyjetstar dot com

Oh and 1 atmosphere = 14.69 psi