Arrivals Cards - it makes you wonder what's the point?

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After some recent travels I have to wonder what's the point of arrivals cards, is it keeping someone in a job??? When you can enter Dubai or Malaysia with no paperwork, you have to wonder who is the more advanced country??
 
Same for departure cards, when most passports can be scanned electronically?

I guess it's just a way to trip certain travellers up when they sign they aren't exporting/importing certain items, so it's a customs/quarantine thing, not an immigration thing.
 
No paperwork for Malaysia? That must be a recent thing as I can always remember filling in the little slip on each of my trips until March last year.
 
No paperwork for Malaysia? That must be a recent thing as I can always remember filling in the little slip on each of my trips until March last year.
No arrivals card for Malaysia for at least 1 year now...on my last visit 2 weeks ago, no fingerprinting either!
 
No arrivals card for Malaysia for at least 1 year now...on my last visit 2 weeks ago, no fingerprinting either!

Never been fingerprinted in Malaysia, but last visit was 13 months ago so quite possible.
 
No arrivals card for Malaysia for at least 1 year now...on my last visit 2 weeks ago, no fingerprinting either!

That's a new one for me, though my last travel to Malaysia was 2011. Nice move - my mum, who makes an annual trip, must also be enjoying not needing to fill in a form.


Immigration cards are varied all over the world. Most notably, the Schengen countries do not require immigration forms (from what I can tell), which is amazing when you think about it. But then there are a plethora of "advanced" countries which require them (unless they have changed the rules since I last visited them), including:
  • New Zealand (yep, across the pond, even if you have only just come from across the pond)
  • Japan (plus fingerprinting)
  • USA (plus ESTA, fingerprinting and imaging; and damn what a confusing form)
  • PRC (even after almost everyone has to apply for a visa anyway)
  • UK
  • Singapore... in fact, plenty of Asian countries


Not much reason I can think of for the card, although the card collects some information which doesn't get collected from a passport alone, which usually means it must be asked of the pax at immigration, or gone without. Information including:
  • Address in the country, though this can be vague or a lie, and isn't usually checked unless you are a suspicious person to start with, or in one of those countries where you need to "register" after being granted entry, e.g. Russia
  • Purpose of visit (probably asked at most border controls as part of the "probing" questions)
  • Length of visit

The first one is probably immaterial to most people (as you can usually put a random hotel or the like and get away with it); the latter ones are more for statistical purposes, except when you need to distinguish between business and tourism (i.e. one requires a visa and another doesn't necessarily).


Other reason is simply to force people to submit information for the sake of having a formal record. If you commit an offence in that country, they have a lot of details on you already (though the actual act of the information being shared between border control and the authorities is another matter). If you lie on the form, they can already use that against you if it comes to it, I suppose.

Getting rid of the arrival card doesn't mean there won't be any paperwork, as at least in Australia there is the customs declaration form to be filled out (i.e. for Quarantine). It would shorten the time required to fill in the overall form, and one could argue that they could also get rid of the customs declaration by simply getting people to declare whatever they have at the relevant checkpoint. For Australia, I don't see this necessarily eliminating the form as the customs card, in asking the questions, does specify what kinds of things people are supposed to declare (although the form isn't quite explicit in saying such things are subject to Australian customs inspection, which I think is a crock. At least across the pond you get a small info brochure telling you so and so may be inspected / must be declared).

Did Malaysia do away with the customs declaration form? Usually that form is also a convenient place to tell incoming passengers that drug trafficking may result in death, though apart from that, Malaysia incoming customs is almost a non-event (as it is in almost the whole of South East Asia at least, and most of Europe for that matter). Australia, New Zealand and the UK, as far as I can tell, are probably the only countries in the world where customs actually gives a damn, so to speak (and the UK is marginal on this one).
 
Did Malaysia do away with the customs declaration form? Usually that form is also a convenient place to tell incoming passengers that drug trafficking may result in death, though apart from that, Malaysia incoming customs is almost a non-event (as it is in almost the whole of South East Asia at least, and most of Europe for that matter). Australia, New Zealand and the UK, as far as I can tell, are probably the only countries in the world where customs actually gives a damn, so to speak (and the UK is marginal on this one).

Malaysia has nothing to fill in at all.

Things may vary based on differing legal frameworks in different countries. In Australia, at least, you do have to provide something that matches what's in your passport. Traditionally, this has been the signature, but more recently a digital photograph has been used for Australians re-entering the country.

Whatever you do, remember that it needs to stand up in court!
 
That's a new one for me, though my last travel to Malaysia was 2011. Nice move - my mum, who makes an annual trip, must also be enjoying not needing to fill in a form.


Immigration cards are varied all over the world. Most notably, the Schengen countries do not require immigration forms (from what I can tell), which is amazing when you think about it. But then there are a plethora of "advanced" countries which require them (unless they have changed the rules since I last visited them), including:
  • New Zealand (yep, across the pond, even if you have only just come from across the pond)
  • Japan (plus fingerprinting)
  • USA (plus ESTA, fingerprinting and imaging; and damn what a confusing form)
  • PRC (even after almost everyone has to apply for a visa anyway)
  • UK
  • Singapore... in fact, plenty of Asian countries


Not much reason I can think of for the card, although the card collects some information which doesn't get collected from a passport alone, which usually means it must be asked of the pax at immigration, or gone without. Information including:
  • Address in the country, though this can be vague or a lie, and isn't usually checked unless you are a suspicious person to start with, or in one of those countries where you need to "register" after being granted entry, e.g. Russia
  • Purpose of visit (probably asked at most border controls as part of the "probing" questions)
  • Length of visit

The first one is probably immaterial to most people (as you can usually put a random hotel or the like and get away with it); the latter ones are more for statistical purposes, except when you need to distinguish between business and tourism (i.e. one requires a visa and another doesn't necessarily).


Other reason is simply to force people to submit information for the sake of having a formal record. If you commit an offence in that country, they have a lot of details on you already (though the actual act of the information being shared between border control and the authorities is another matter). If you lie on the form, they can already use that against you if it comes to it, I suppose.

But.. Concisely.. What you state.. It still is a legally signed document pertaining to the laws of the country.
It would be best to be sensibly to be truthful & honest in any case.
Precendents exposed suggest .. In any confrontation, implications as a judgemental case, may just not swing in your favour.
 
I guess it's just a way to trip certain travellers up when they sign they aren't exporting/importing certain items, so it's a customs/quarantine thing, not an immigration thing.

The Australian agricultural industry is one of the most pest free in the world, due in no small part to a stringent quarantine rules. One only needs to look at the seemingly endless number of passengers trying to bring in fruits, plants, seeds etc. on 'Border Security' and similar shows to know that at least those couple of questions on the arrivals card are very important.
 
There's a trifecta going into Korea now; health fitness, immigration and customs.

They have also introduced forefinger scanning.
 
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The Australian agricultural industry is one of the most pest free in the world, due in no small part to a stringent quarantine rules. One only needs to look at the seemingly endless number of passengers trying to bring in fruits, plants, seeds etc. on 'Border Security' and similar shows to know that at least those couple of questions on the arrivals card are very important.

I'm not arguing against quarantine, but considering the amount that gets through, or tries to get through, the cards aren't taken that seriously. Hence why we have sniffer dogs and x-ray machines I guess.
 
After some recent travels I have to wonder what's the point of arrivals cards, is it keeping someone in a job??? When you can enter Dubai or Malaysia with no paperwork, you have to wonder who is the more advanced country??
I just read somewhere that a retina scan is conducted instead prior to entering DXB?
 
I don't find them that onerous, they do provide a range of statistical information that a simple scan of the passport won't, and have a range of questions that you are forced to consider and then make a statement on which can be used in court...

You've mentioned 2 countries that don't use them, but plenty of other sophisticated countries do... But each country to their own...
 
As others have said, it's mainly for customs & quarantine plus some statistical information that may presumably be of use to somebody in government. The Australian form is reasonably well designed unlike the US one which is a shambles. I think the first two occasions I entered the states I had to get a second card as I'd incorrectly filled in the first one. (Now I'm pre-warned and take my time with it).
 
Arrivals cards make sense, it's the departure cards which IMHO are for stats purposes only.

Arrivals cards are a declaration of what you are bringing into the country, otherwise there would be room for

You - "I don't have anything to declare"
Officer - "OK, lets just check your bag.... oh look I've found a (insert name of banned item here)"
You - "I told you I had that"
Officer - "No you didn't"
You - "Prove that I didn't say it"

By having it on a card that is signed it means there can be no confusion as to what was declared upfront.
Also they do serve as a reminder to think about what you packed, I know I do a mental double check of my bags and work out if I'm going to declare or dispose of anything when I get the form.
 
By having it on a card that is signed it means there can be no confusion as to what was declared upfront.
Also they do serve as a reminder to think about what you packed, I know I do a mental double check of my bags and work out if I'm going to declare or dispose of anything when I get the form.

The problem with the "slimmed" yellow arrival cards is that unlike the old quarantine declaration form which was on a large three-fold brochure is that there's no information on the card which makes a point that this is important. Yes, you can read up about travelling into Australia online at your equivalent of Smart Traveler; yes, you can learn from experience (perhaps a fine or prison sentence has taught you); yes, there is usually a video that is screened before arriving in Australia.... but at least on the old three-fold, there was a very large box with clear text (something along these lines):

If you are unsure if you have it in your luggage, or are unsure if you have to declare it, tick YES - DECLARE IT

Now, there is just a tiny text on the top which says: "ANSWER ALL QUESTIONS. IF UNSURE, [cross box] YES"

It's not awfully clear. Well, I lie. It is quite clear. What it doesn't communicate is how important it actually is to answer truthfully.

People understand easily, without pretext, that lying about your name is not a good idea. Most people going to almost any country in the world don't really understand that lying that you have food packed is a big deal when you enter Australia.

At least countries like Thailand and Singapore, with their incoming forms, make it quite clear that amongst other things, trafficking drugs is punishable by death. If Australia had a similar thing, I think it would be wise to make sure that is clearly communicated on the yellow card (though suffice to say if you were carrying drugs and you only found out this fate by reading the card on the plane, you probably deserve to be put to death).

Customs can keep the form as is, but in doing so, they risk catching more people who have simply misunderstood. If that's the only way they can fill their quota of fines and imprisonments, then so be it.

To be perfectly honest, if they really want to be that serious about quarantine to the point that people think the process is not being abused and people are falling through the cracks, then they would have to basically turn customs into a process which could be almost like a cross between attempting to enter the USA and filling out your US income taxes for the IRS. Except they would also get rid of the "Nothing to Declare" lane. Everyone would be benched; if you got the form wrong, instant interrogation room - doesn't matter if you just forgot, or you cannot understand the form, you get the room, and a high chance of being fined as a minimum. Breaches over a certain weight of food (or wood or whatever) or matter regarded as dangerous, especially if not declared, attracts mandatory detention or immediate deportation.

Oh, and while we are at it, since we've just had a corruption case within the customs officers ranks, I would propose that all customs officers who are found guilty of breaches like corruption face mandatory prison sentences and cancellation of any job benefits accumulated whilst a customs officer (e.g. superannuation seized). That would be the check and balance so the Gestapo aren't necessarily above the law.

I'm sure that will probably put customs officers on the same hit lists as parking officers, telemarketers, and about 99% of politicians. But.... you said we had to get serious about it, right?
 
Finger printing and retina scans?

I already don't travel to or through the USA as an informal boycott, but now clearly I need to do some research on other countries, some of them not very trustworthy, I need to avoid because they're taking and potentially retaining potentially very private personal information.

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I didn't have one when I went through DXB in January.

I read about the retina scan in a copy of the "Dubai International Airport & City Guide" at one of the information desks in the airport. I've just taken a closer look and there is an exemption for a number of countries:
"All visitors to the UAE must have an eye scan (retina scan) upon arrival at Immigration, except citizens of the AGCC countries, residents of the UAE, and citizens from any of the countries listed above" - which includes Australia...
 
Nothing in Malaysia for the last 12 months or so - same for South Africa - amazing a tech savvy place like Singapore still requires the card !!
 
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